Official 2014 Boston Marathon Race Discussion Thread

rojo · 2014-04-21T07:59:52-04:00

It's Patriots Day in Boston and race day is upon us. It should be thrilling. A few comments. We asked our wind expert - John Kellogg (JK) - to comment on the weather. Yesterday morning, when the wind forecast was for a SSW of 7-8 mph, we asked JK how that would impact the race. The course runs mainly West to East but it does go slightly from the south to the North as shown here: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_YQsV8uA1vvU/S9G7NqwAawI/AAAAAAAAEJw/702xB5sGJCw/s320/boston-CourseMap.gif Here is what JK wrote: [quote][b]JK wrote:[/b] There should be a tailwind component of 4-6 mph for the race, which in theory would make the times about 55 to 85 seconds faster than they would be if there was no wind. A little bit about wind readings: Unless a weather report specifically indicates the readings are those at ground level, wind speeds can be assumed to be taken 10 meters above ground in open areas (e.g., airports), and the wind speed that runners experience at chest/head level usually ranges from 40% to 80% of the reported speed, depending on surrounding objects (open areas vs. buildings, trees, etc.) and elevation (low sections of road vs. hilltops or overpasses). That's why you'll often see wind gauge readings of 4 mps (about 9 mph) at track meets when current weather reports show a 20 mph wind and it sure feels like it's a lot stronger than you'd expect 9 mph to feel. The wind gauge is actually closer to the ground than the heads and chests of the athletes, so runners are typically experiencing abut 12 mph of wind on a 20 mph wind day (unless the race is in an extremely flat, wide-open area like a prairie or a coastline, in which case the chest-level wind speed could be up to 80% of the reported speed). But for practical purposes, we can usually just use the reported wind speed to make time comparisons against calm conditions. Those comparisons can never be perfect because of the quirky nature of wind and the effects of terrain and surrounding objects. The real world isn't a wind tunnel, so take any prediction about the time benefit of a tailwind as a ballpark estimate.[/quote] The forecast has changed since he wrote that. It's expected to be more of a southerly wind. Last night, it was supposed to be out of the South but now still says SSW and then S. If it was straight out of the South, JK said on the phone it would probably help around 30 seconds versus there being now wind. In summary, the conditions are there for a fast day if the runner's decide to run fast. Temps will be in the 50s and sunny. A little warmer than ideal but a perfect day all told when considering what the spectators want. A few more intersting tidbits that I got from the press conference on Friday but haven't shared yet. I talked to top Ethiopian men's entrants in defending champ Desisa as well as 2:05:27 man Regassa who trains with Desisa. Both said they were in shape, but when I asked Regassa who was in better shape, he didn't hesitate at all. He pointed to Desisa. So the scuttlebutt is he's very much ready to defend. I also talked to Kenya's Kimetto who indicated he was happy with his fitness as well. In terms of getting seeing an American winner in Boston, here's one interesting scenario to consider down the road. Maybe the USA's best bet it to get a citizenship change. I asked LetsRun.com visitor Worku Beyi - the husband and coach of Deba - the Ethiopian woman who lives in the bronx - if they might become US citizens since they live here. He said, "Yes," and revealed he is actually getting his citizenship in October. I then asked if this meant Deba would run for the US in 2016. He thought she'd have to wait 5 years for citizenship (and said she was hoping to get a green card) but I told him I thought cirizenship could be expedited (wasn't it for Khanouchi). As for Desisa, he was outfitted in some sweet red, whie and blue adidas gear. I told him that looked like an American outfit and he said he'd love to get an American passport. Deba is obviously a real candidate. Desisa's mark seemed more like just a friendly statement. In the press room, they hopefully will have a split update each and every mile - much more than what you can get via tracking. I'll try to update them as I get them (and am actually going to be sending them via text to a top coach who asked for my help. If that American wins with a late surge, of course, we will be taking credit for it). I hope everyone enjoys the race - it should be awesome. In case you aren't up to date.

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12 years ago 04/21/2014 9:50am EDT

re: Track_Marathoner_the_real_1

Man this coverage is pathetic. Let's show a scene of a bunch of flags for 30 seconds. Horrible.

12 years ago 04/21/2014 9:50am EDT

re: Bullet the Blue Sky

12 years ago 04/21/2014 9:51am EDT

re: This Man

Kimetto letting Boit and Meb go means he is not in top shape/2:03 shape.

12 years ago 04/21/2014 9:52am EDT

re: Jake from State Farm

Women’s Mile

Splits

Mile 1 - 5:11

Mile 2 - 5:10 (10:21)

Mile 3 - 5:15 (15:36)third mile - 15:37 - 16:10 5k.

Mile 4 - 510 (20:46)

Mile 5 - 525 (26:11)

Mile 6 - 5:11 (31:22) 10k - is 32:32. Projected 2:17:21

Mile 7 - 5:10 (36:42)

Mile 8 - 5:21 (42:03)

Mile 9 - 5:17 (47:20) - 49:05 15k.

Mile 10 - 5:28 (52:48) - 8 person lead pack.

Mile 11 - 523 (58:11)

(They took it out way faster than kim smith in 2011

Mile 12 -5:16 (63:27)

Mile 13 - 5:23 (68:50)

Mile 14 - 5:18 (74:08 - halfway in 69:24)

Men’s Splits

Splits60 degrees W/SW wind at 1.5 mph

Mile 1 - 4:49 - 19 men in lead pack.

Mile 2 - 4:54 (943)

Mile 3 - 4:55 (1438) 8miles. (1509 5k)

Mile 4 - 4:51 - (1929

Mile 5 - 5:00 - (2429)

Mile 6 - 4:55 (29:24) (3028 10k)

Mile 7 - 4:52 (34:16)

Mile 8 - 4:54 (39:10)

Mile 9 - 5:00 (44:10 - 45:46 for 15k)

12 years ago 04/21/2014 9:52am EDT

re: Bullet the Blue Sky

This is so exciting.

12 years ago 04/21/2014 9:52am EDT

Meb is Christian ... like most Eritreans.

12 years ago 04/21/2014 9:52am EDT

re: RandomRunner

Dear TV coverage,

More split screen Men's/Women's;

Less wheelchair/flagpoles/trees/scenic shots.

Thank you.

12 years ago 04/21/2014 9:53am EDT

re: Runthemhillsboy

"Air has density," and so too does Larry Rawson's brain.

12 years ago 04/21/2014 9:54am EDT

re: big dog

big dog wrote:
"Air has density," and so too does Larry Rawson's brain.

Unlike yours, I suppose.

12 years ago 04/21/2014 9:54am EDT

re: HardLoper

Is Boit the guy who ran at Arkansas back in the day?

What's he been doing?

12 years ago 04/21/2014 9:55am EDT

re: MrGambinus

Women no longer lined up single file behind Shalane.

12 years ago 04/21/2014 9:55am EDT

re: boit??

boit?? wrote:
Is Boit the guy who ran at Arkansas back in the day?
What's he been doing?

Yes... supposedly a US citizen too

12 years ago 04/21/2014 9:56am EDT

re: boit??

Negotiating a deal to pace Meb.

boit?? wrote:
Is Boit the guy who ran at Arkansas back in the day?
What's he been doing?

12 years ago 04/21/2014 9:56am EDT

re: Dense Man

This is two really good races going on. Men and women. Shame we only get 30 second segments of it every 5 minutes.

12 years ago 04/21/2014 9:56am EDT

how the heck did meb and boit break away by so much??????

12 years ago 04/21/2014 9:56am EDT

re: HardLoper

HardLoper wrote:
boit?? wrote:
Is Boit the guy who ran at Arkansas back in the day?
What's he been doing?
Yes... supposedly a US citizen too

Have we seen his birth certificate?

12 years ago 04/21/2014 9:58am EDT

You have to hand it to the Brits. They know how to cover a marathon. Nothing like these shambles.

12 years ago 04/21/2014 9:58am EDT

re: dsaglksalkjga

dsaglksalkjga wrote:
how the heck did meb and boit break away by so much??????

Why not. they are runing slowly.

While some on tv are amazed by it. the guy behind me in the press room is a VERY well connecte person in the sport laughed and said, "It's like the Tour de France. They are the domestiques. The big guys don't care. We're taking bets here as to how many minutes they (meb and boit) finish bheind the leaders)."

12 years ago 04/21/2014 9:59am EDT

re: Ralph Wiggum

SF is starting to look even more ragged.

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