Wow: Oscar P's sobbing was so good the judge stopped the proceedings: "My compassion as a human being does not allow me to

one, i'm not paranoid about home break-ins. two, no, i've never fallen asleep with a window open unintentionally. if it's open, it's intentional. i also don't leave random ladders lying around my windows and i definitely wouldn't leave them around if i were worried about people climbing in my open windows.

your examples are just plain ridiculous and make absolutely no sense. are you aware of that?

you are correct in that people (myself included) make mistakes all the time. a gun nut who is paranoid about home invasions doesn't simply let it slide by that the workers left some ladders near his bedroom window. then again, this is the same person who pumped 4 bullets through a locked bathroom door when he was under no imminent danger so it's not like he was the most careful or circumspect person out there.

no no... wrote:

just looking at the affidavit wrote:

Questioning the accused's story: By instinct, being confined to the quarters of the locked bedroom area (which includes the toilet, bathroom and balcony), would one not assure of themselves that their loved ones (in the same confined quarters) are safe and secure from the possibility of flailing bullets before discharging a weapon into a blindly obstructed target behind the toilet door?

The less charitable interpretation is that Pistorius sub-consciously wanted to be faced with an intruder that he could use his guns on. When he thought he had one, he was so excited that he didn't stop to think that he could be mistaken.

I can almost buy this.

quick draw mcgraw wrote:

one, i'm not paranoid about home break-ins. two, no, i've never fallen asleep with a window open unintentionally. if it's open, it's intentional. i also don't leave random ladders lying around my windows and i definitely wouldn't leave them around if i were worried about people climbing in my open windows.

your examples are just plain ridiculous and make absolutely no sense. are you aware of that?

you are correct in that people (myself included) make mistakes all the time. a gun nut who is paranoid about home invasions doesn't simply let it slide by that the workers left some ladders near his bedroom window. then again, this is the same person who pumped 4 bullets through a locked bathroom door when he was under no imminent danger so it's not like he was the most careful or circumspect person out there.

MY examples are actual examples of things that happened to friends of mine over the years.

Shows what you freaking know.

You know, just because you think it, it doesn't mean you are right.

OP is probably guilty, overwhelmingly when a woman is killed by her husband or lover, it is a crime of passion/anger.

There are just things that make this not seem garden variety.

He had a documented history in the press and on his twitter about being afraid of a home invasion.

As a previous poster indicated, it is entirely possible that on some level he was hoping to some day get to gun down a home invader...and so he made his "dream" come true...and in that a nightmare.

"Hmmm...before I discharge this weapon into that tight little room and blow away whoever is in there, I quickly playback the preceding events in my mind...get fan, close balcony sliding door...*hmmm, did I see my beloved Reeva lying in the bed before the curtains closed*...close curtains, hear sound in bathroom, get gun...*hmmm, did I reach up across the bed to see if Reeva is still lying there in case she might be responsible for the sound in the bathroom*...shout at Reeva to call police...*hmmm, have I heard back anything from Reeva since I closed the curtains and heard a sound in the bathroom*...*hmmm, I really don't know who is behind that door, but is it absolutely assured that Reeva is not behind that door?*...hmmm.

I'm not calling him guilty or dumb before I know more, but you are consistently overlooking facts.

'- Locking the toilet: completely normal'

'Not normal when sharing with partner' Oh and he changed bed sides conveniently. Most people role over if there side is hurting its a bit more logical

- Woken by him going out on the balcony: completely normal

'A big coincidence at the same time without hearing each other or speaking'

'- Pitch dark room, sheets could make it look like there were someone in the bed. Remember, pitch dark.'

Ho did he find the balcony and more importantly gun then? He can find a gun but not a grown woman, he could have just reached over onto the bed to check

- Checking the bed: He was a paranoid nut, if thats the weakest part then it seems you have concluded because you want him to be guilty

- You have yet to string together a series of inconsistencies which are abnormal

I'ts not normal to blast someone to bits when they are doing something they do every night ..taking a piss

Typical letsrun, someone runs fast time doper, someone fails test inoccent. Someone goes crazy and shoots his girlfriend, inoccent... and suddenly not an aggresive confident athlete but scared lamb

Who is scared with a gun in their hand

Ya'll are arguing about speculation and it's mad annoying. Just agree to disagree.

it is a tragedy

it is also pretty clearly a crime of negligent homicide

the only legal questions seem to be:

1. is it a crime of premeditated murder

2. can they prove it

all the other questions are just subsets of these 2

if I had to answer today, i would answer:

1. I think so

2. not enough with a presumption of innocence

but there is more than just legal court, there is a court of public opinion in which one has to live their life,

think of it this way:

if OP is your brother, don't you fear in your heart that he is lying and that he killed her knowingly?

if RV is your sister, do you fear that OP might be wrongly convicted?

as hard as it is for me, i think I will stop posting on this stuff

no taste in music wrote:

Women don't have to stop at 4 way stops at night for fear of car jacking, as long as it is safe, they can glide right through. And, well, men do the same now too, according to my fiend.

So if I blow through the stop sign thinking it is "safe," but I end up hitting another car who had the right of way in the interesection and I kill someone, am I not liable for their death? All I have to do is claim I was scared of being carjacked and I didn't see the other car/pedestrian? Does that sound right to you?

just looking at the affidavit wrote:

"Hmmm...before I discharge this weapon into that tight little room and blow away whoever is in there, I quickly playback the preceding events in my mind...get fan, close balcony sliding door...*hmmm, did I see my beloved Reeva lying in the bed before the curtains closed*...close curtains, hear sound in bathroom, get gun...*hmmm, did I reach up across the bed to see if Reeva is still lying there in case she might be responsible for the sound in the bathroom*...shout at Reeva to call police...*hmmm, have I heard back anything from Reeva since I closed the curtains and heard a sound in the bathroom*...*hmmm, I really don't know who is behind that door, but is it absolutely assured that Reeva is not behind that door?*...hmmm.

It only fits if he was a paranoid type in a panic who actually wanted to shoot a home invader someday.

He claimed to have heard the noise in the bathroom from outside on the balcony...police stipulated to that.

There have been times when I thought my girlfriend was in bed and she was in the bathroom and scared the hell out of me. There have been times I thought she was not in the bed and she was. But we have thick comforters and she's tiny.

As an American, and not a gun owner, I can't imagine shooting 4 shots thru a door. He was however a gun nut, with a documented history of fear of home invasion, and tweeting going "full recon" with his gun.

1. Locking the toilet is completely normal for a lot of women/people. My girlfriend for one. And you can't speak for everyone.

2. Changing sides of bed is not unprecedented. Did that very thing with my girlfriend due to a back-hip issue. Sucked, felt weird sleeping on the other side of the bed. On the other hand we travel a lot and often rotate when we travel so I can sleep closest to the bathroom. Not unprecedented.

3.Not hearing each other...if half asleep, groggy, totally normal.

4. He found the balcony, and then closed blinds and curtains...If he had gone "full recon," to get his gun he probably could have gone low on floor, and figured she was till in bed.

5. Scared gun nut? He's already in press from last year in a article talking about being startled by his washing machine and thinking he had an intruder. He is on record tweeting that he went into full recon mode. That's what's odd, he has a history of freaking out and thinking someone is in his house. Don't blame that on typical letsrun people. His history is part of what makes it weird.

And he could have been scared with a gun in his hand, no legs on, and living in SA.

Not saying it is all true. But it is possible.

Again, at a trial, he would have to testify to tell his story. We will see, but I cannot imagine he would do that and risk cross examination; he has not exactly been composed to date in the courtroom. The Affidavit will never come into evidence except to impeach him if he testifies, so his "story" likely will not be told, as there will be few facts to support it that could come into evidence independently. That's going to make it very tough for his "case". When, like here, you have irrefutable evidence that he shot her multiple times through a locked bathroom door with clear intent to kill (putting aside for the moment whether he intended to kill her as opposed to the bogeyman), without some independent corroboration of his "facts" a conviction of premeditated murder is more likely than not, and is certain for a lesser included offense if the Panel wishes to go that route. Most Judges (and jurors) bring their common experience to their decision making. This type of story is an old one, and almost always involves murder; that's going to be the bias he faces, and it is real.

marty mcfeester wrote:

no taste in music wrote:

Women don't have to stop at 4 way stops at night for fear of car jacking, as long as it is safe, they can glide right through. And, well, men do the same now too, according to my fiend.

So if I blow through the stop sign thinking it is "safe," but I end up hitting another car who had the right of way in the interesection and I kill someone, am I not liable for their death? All I have to do is claim I was scared of being carjacked and I didn't see the other car/pedestrian? Does that sound right to you?

You missed the words "as long as it is safe."

That is the law in SA.

your examples were ridiculous because they are completely irrelevant here. who cares that you have a friend who left his/her car running only to find it gone when he got back minutes later. do you have any more completely irrelevant stories to share for us?

i will say that a lot of the original "facts" that came out on day one don't seem to be "facts" so far. for example, if the police had been called out to the house in the past, it should have been expressly noted in the bail hearing. from what i understand, the cop said that the police had been to the house before but didn't say why. her skull doesn't appear to have been smashed in. the "steroids" don't appear to be garden variety steroids but what IAAF athlete shoots up random herbs that aren't googleable?

the bottom line is that is dead and he admits he did it. i don't know how SA law works and if the prosecution goes for murder is it stuck with trying to prove murder or can the judge convict on a lessor crime such as manslaughter?

some of the key facts that need to be answered are:

*what angle did the bullets go through the door? if they came from high up, OP's entire story crumbles. i don't know why he would lie about being on stumps.

*was there a bloody bat and whose blood is on it?

*how credible are the neighbors who heard fighting?

*why were bullet case in the bathroom and one in the toilet if they were shot from the other side of a locked door?

*what kind of "herbs" were in there?

*why did family remove ammo and why haven't they been charged with tampering with evidence?

*where is the phone OP called the cops with and why is it missing?

*what was the BAC of both of them? if it was high on either of them, it greatly undermines his story that they went to bed at 10pm.

In certain circles, the mantra is "Two legs bad, four legs good." After this Pistorius incident and Paul McCartney's nasty divorce, my relationship mantra would be "Two legs good."

just looking at the affidavit wrote:

What you describe is not a "less charitable" interpretation, but rather sheer reckless stupidity in desiring to eliminate a possible, unconfirmed, burglar without first making sure of the whereabouts of your loved one int the same confined quarters.

This. After reading several reports and giving OP the benefit of the doubt, it's hard for me to believe that a person who you supposedly were in love with or cared for was not your number one priority in checking their safety this situation, unless you were too doped/drugged/groggy or whatever excuse you have to check if they were safe before you decide to go ballistic on them? Whatever happen to common sense?

It's going to be a tough one, that is for sure.

I watched the video with his uncle speaking after court. Very sincere. I get the feeling he believes Oscar is telling the truth.

There's no doubt it is negligent homicide in the least. SA also has a 10% conviction rate in murders.

A lot is going to rely on if the "witness" testimony is believable.

It's just a horrible story all the way around.

In the pictures of him in court, he seems heartbroken. It doesn't seem like he is just in shock... I mean when he called for support, he just dropped the phone and was crying...

So if you imagine that he was in a rage and killed her, he'd have to do a lightening turn around to come out of that rage and not try and cover his tracks, and instead try and save her...calling the hospital etc. The story is just crazy. He did have that history of thinking guns were cool. He did have that history of fearing an intruder.

It seems to me the only way he gets off with a lesser sentence is if he does testify, and the defense is that his story is true, even with some things that seem to not match up right now...he was just a gun nut, paranoid for his safety...and it was a perfect storm of foggy headed tragic stupidity in the middle of the night.

OR...and I don't know how someone 600 meters or 300 meters hears someone arguing from inside their house screen doors or whatever...the way it was described was "loud talking like arguing." Screaming at each other could carry that far.

Forensics might make the case that he got his gun, chased her, she locked herself in the toilet, hiding at the back of the water closet and he shot her cos she locked the door (in his mad state.)

But why would she not run out of the bedroom then, why run and hide in the toilet.

If her bladder was empty, and there is no record of urine on the towels or clothing she was wearing (sounds like she was wearing summer yoga like pants and sleeveless top/"vest," then it just leads back to the crazy idea that his story is true...which means paranoid gun nut terrified of a home invader.

IF there was not a published story of him telling a journalist of his fears for home safety, him taking the journalist to the shooting range and teaching them to shoot. If he had not tweeted about coming home and being startled and going into "full recon mode," I would totally think he was just guilty of domestic violence murder.

On that side of the ledger there is...

An ex girlfriend who said she was going to give an interview that he wasn't all he seemed to be, and then didn't.

His threatening to break the legs (how ironic) of some guy he thought was screwing his girlfriend when he was in London.

This case is disturbing and confusing and disheartening in so many ways:

So sad either way wrote:

just looking at the affidavit wrote:

What you describe is not a "less charitable" interpretation, but rather sheer reckless stupidity in desiring to eliminate a possible, unconfirmed, burglar without first making sure of the whereabouts of your loved one int the same confined quarters.

This. After reading several reports and giving OP the benefit of the doubt, it's hard for me to believe that a person who you supposedly were in love with or cared for was not your number one priority in checking their safety this situation, unless you were too doped/drugged/groggy or whatever excuse you have to check if they were safe before you decide to go ballistic on them? Whatever happen to common sense?

There are two likely explanations:

1. He was a gun nut, with a rage problem, who flew off the handle and murdered her.

2. He was a gun nut, concerned about home invasion safety to the point of paranoia (some evidence of this in his past, some justification for it in SA) who went into a panic and could not think clearly and did something most of us can't imagine (shot through a door 4 times not knowing whom was on the other side) (but then how many of us grew up without lower legs and in SA).

I wonder if he was manic depressive or something. In that article he talked about going to the shooting range when he couldn't sleep.

what_happened_ wrote:

It was Valentines day and they were in bed drinking some red wine and Oscar probably could not get it up for her after spending hours of trying... at 1 am the neighbours could hear yelling from Oscars house... Finally a couple of hours later at about 3am in the morning his girl friend said enough is enough!!! and left for the washroom while telling Oscar that she needs a real man that he could not satisfy her.

Oscar was probably drunk and very offended by her remarks and got into a roid rage and took the 9mm from under his bed and yelled F_uck you B_tch!!! ....and fired shots through the washroom door...

DOES THAT SOUND ABOUT RIGHT?????????????

Here is another one of my scenerios....

Oscar hears a noise in the bathroom and thinks the intruder has climbed through the window..

( now there were two cell/smart phones found outside and two found inside the bathroom)

Reeva may have been talking to another male in the bathroom via her phone and had it on SPEAKER... she may have been arguing with another guy and Oscar could hear another males voice... thinking it was an intruder..

the sound of the males voice(cell phone) is coming from right behind the bathroom door where Reeva is sitting on the toilet... BANG BANG BANG through the bathroom door he shoots...