New D3 indoor conversions are BS!

mut wrote:

So basically it proves that NE athletes are running legit times, and always have rightfully earned their trips to nationals, they just tank at a higher rate than any other region when they get there. Glad that's becoming clear too.

there were 4 new england teams in the top 5 at ncaas last year.

wtf is wrong with you flatlanders?

Using one year? Check historically, midwest is better. Facts get in the way of opinions, I know.

leastcoast wrote:

Using one year? Check historically, midwest is better. Facts get in the way of opinions, I know.

Yep, just like the banked track conversions. Just facts getting in the way of opinions.

Ice wrote:

Stan S. Flouride wrote:

Looking at the men's 5k, I think there's only one guy who missed out because of the new conversions and he'd be about the last qualifier. Doesn't look like it's having a huge effect on who's in the field.

I think it's pretty obvious that all of the top D3 runners are avoiding banked tracks BECAUSE of the conversions. There's no other reason for Haverford to run sub-14:30 5Ks at home against no one but themselves when they could go to a big competitive meet with D1 guys running in the low 14s and get pulled along to something faster. And that's just one example.

Exactly. The conversions gutted the ECAC meet. Do people really think that Geneseo would have run 9:48 if the track was banked?

sfgsf wrote:

Exactly. The conversions gutted the ECAC meet. Do people really think that Geneseo would have run 9:48 if the track was banked?

I'd love to see the midwesterners' answers to this.

Problem solved. If MakeThemAllBanked wants everyone to have banked tracks then I guess he is offering the money to build them. I want to thank that poster for being such a contributor to the track community. I will be watching so that he gets all those tracks built.

ly6r wrote:

mut wrote:

So basically it proves that NE athletes are running legit times, and always have rightfully earned their trips to nationals, they just tank at a higher rate than any other region when they get there. Glad that's becoming clear too.

there were 4 new england teams in the top 5 at ncaas last year.

wtf is wrong with you flatlanders?

Yes, thank you. Pointing out 1 race, during one year of competition, proves your point 100% that NE never fails.

BTW-I'm not trying to insinuate that midwest is 100% better and all that crap. I really think it's a shame that schools skipped out a big meet like ECAC's. I think this fear of the conversions is overhyped. Go the the big meet, at a great facility, and the times will come.

One reason for Haverford not to go six+ hours to get pulled to a time a few seconds faster would be that it is totally unnecessary! They ran fast times in a home meet where I'm sure the fans cared a whole lot more about their guys than they would have at BU. They'll have plenty more chances to run faster times and PR's outdoors.

And no worries about ECAC. It'll be moved to a flat 200m track next year and everything will be back to normal.

It's sad that more people haven't realized the benefits of the conversions pushing more athletes to flat tracks. More DIII athletes running national qualifying times at DIII meets at DIII facilities.

This thread makes me realize that there are runners out there who are a lot less intelligent than the ones I have been around......

Doyle wrote:

One reason for Haverford not to go six+ hours to get pulled to a time a few seconds faster would be that it is totally unnecessary! They ran fast times in a home meet where I'm sure the fans cared a whole lot more about their guys than they would have at BU. They'll have plenty more chances to run faster times and PR's outdoors.

And no worries about ECAC. It'll be moved to a flat 200m track next year and everything will be back to normal.

It's sad that more people haven't realized the benefits of the conversions pushing more athletes to flat tracks. More DIII athletes running national qualifying times at DIII meets at DIII facilities.

You're an idiot. They didn't NEED to go to Boston, but maybe some do for the faster competition. Not everyone has the depth on their own roster to pull their own guys through the 5k like that. The Goats are making a statement by running fast times on that tiny track of theirs. They should get a conversion to lower their time for that! And leave outdoors out of the thread entirely... This is about the indoor conversion. Start another thread for outdoors.

Please identify a flat track that can host, and put on as good of a meet, as the Armory for ECAC's. I can't think of one. Maybe Tufts? But there again, a lot of schools will be driving 5-6 hours for a fast meet. Just like the BU meets. Your logic is null.

So you're saying it is sad that we don't see this stupid theory that more D3 runners are qualifying at D3 meets/facilities? Again, you're an idiot. There is a unique opportunity in this sport to put yourself against the best of the best. We have the ability to race in huge meets against all levels of competition (didn't a D3 kid race and beat Allan Webb last year?). These are memories kids deserve because they put in the hard work, day in and day out, to defeat these big names. You're a fan of the conversion for making the national meet more competitive, but also a fan of taking competition away from these athletes during the season? Not our fault MW D3 aren't allowed into most D1 meets. Some schools out east are like that (penn state doesn't allow most D3 schools into their meets), but the majority are all here to make our kids run faster and not protect our image/ego.

1 kid in the 400 at NCAA's this weekend is from outside the MW. I hope he kicks the crap out of those cry babies on their home turf. DMR will speak for itself. I'd love to spend more time on here, but I have a flight to catch to the Midwest.

aww boo hoo. I'm from the east coast and I'm so sad that I didn't get to run at Boston! Its just soooo unfair that I have to deal with these b-s conversions that the Midwest has had to put up with all these years.

MAN UP you pussies! I'm sick and tired of hearing all you east coast b*tches complain about these conversions that actually work. Its track- go run on a 200 meter flat track and qualify like the rest of the nation has had to for the last 10 years. If you didn't make nationals, it is because you're clearly not as good as those who did. Quit making excuses, its old and annoying

wah-wah wrote:

aww boo hoo. I'm from the east coast and I'm so sad that I didn't get to run at Boston! Its just soooo unfair that I have to deal with these b-s conversions that the Midwest has had to put up with all these years.

MAN UP you pussies! I'm sick and tired of hearing all you east coast b*tches complain about these conversions that actually work. Its track- go run on a 200 meter flat track and qualify like the rest of the nation has had to for the last 10 years. If you didn't make nationals, it is because you're clearly not as good as those who did. Quit making excuses, its old and annoying

Thanks for adding nothing to this thread.

wah-wah wrote:

aww boo hoo. I'm from the east coast and I'm so sad that I didn't get to run at Boston! Its just soooo unfair that I have to deal with these b-s conversions that the Midwest has had to put up with all these years.

MAN UP you pussies! I'm sick and tired of hearing all you east coast b*tches complain about these conversions that actually work. Its track- go run on a 200 meter flat track and qualify like the rest of the nation has had to for the last 10 years. If you didn't make nationals, it is because you're clearly not as good as those who did. Quit making excuses, its old and annoying

but if the dmr times are the same as ever... and 3 of the top 4 teams are from n.e.... and they were run on flat tracks...?

the conversions work? for what?

wah-wah wrote:

aww boo hoo. I'm from the east coast and I'm so sad that I didn't get to run at Boston! Its just soooo unfair that I have to deal with these b-s conversions that the Midwest has had to put up with all these years.

MAN UP you pussies! I'm sick and tired of hearing all you east coast b*tches complain about these conversions that actually work. Its track- go run on a 200 meter flat track and qualify like the rest of the nation has had to for the last 10 years. If you didn't make nationals, it is because you're clearly not as good as those who did. Quit making excuses, its old and annoying

They did go to a flat 200 and qualify. Way to be a retard. Go back under a rock dipshit.

I'll reiterate what others have posted before:

does anyone think that if the Tufts meet were on a banked track, that Geneseo, Bates and Bowdoin go 9:48 - 9:50 - 9:50 instead of 9:56 - 9:58 - 9:58?

Does anyone really think that would have happened? According to the new conversions, those times are worth ~8 seconds faster on a banked track. Does this make sense to ANYONE?

sally k wrote:

I'll reiterate what others have posted before:

does anyone think that if the Tufts meet were on a banked track, that Geneseo, Bates and Bowdoin go 9:48 - 9:50 - 9:50 instead of 9:56 - 9:58 - 9:58?

Does anyone really think that would have happened? According to the new conversions, those times are worth ~8 seconds faster on a banked track. Does this make sense to ANYONE?

Yes, it makes sense. Last year the top three times run on banked tracks were 9:49, 9:49, and 9:50. I don't see how 9:48/9:50/9:50 is so different than that.

113 wrote:

sally k wrote:

I'll reiterate what others have posted before:

does anyone think that if the Tufts meet were on a banked track, that Geneseo, Bates and Bowdoin go 9:48 - 9:50 - 9:50 instead of 9:56 - 9:58 - 9:58?

Does anyone really think that would have happened? According to the new conversions, those times are worth ~8 seconds faster on a banked track. Does this make sense to ANYONE?

Yes, it makes sense. Last year the top three times run on banked tracks were 9:49, 9:49, and 9:50. I don't see how 9:48/9:50/9:50 is so different than that.

+1

if anything this year's results prove the conversions are much better than before.