New England DIII XC

Go somewhere else and troll. Being too dumb to get into a NESCAC school doesn't give you the right to be an internet troll. Either that, or start a community college thread and bitch about the NESCAC and other schools you're jealous of there.

Nescac gheys wrote:

You know why new England regIon is a joke? Because the nescac only cares about the nescac. Here's a secret: the nescac blows. Too busy sucking off their own to see how slow they really are.

Yes, you have exposed the Bates Propaganda Machine for what it really is! A thinly-veiled effort to excuse any and all poor performances so the polls keep them ranked in the top 10.

Yes, you have exposed the Bates Propaganda Machine for what it really is! A thinly-veiled effort to excuse any and all poor performances so the polls keep them ranked in the top 10.[/quote]

performances... please elaborate?

lets get back to regionals... no one is going to care in 2 weeks after this thread dies about who has what job etc...

i don't think he needs to respond to that... you're doing a splendid job of making yourself look like an idiot without any help.

Okay... So to suggest that New England won't get 5 bids seems crazy. I think we're a lock for 5 teams for sure.

There are four regions with at least 5 teams ranked nationally. They include (in no particular order) Midwest, Mideast, Atlantic, and New England.

The Great Lakes region has 3 teams ranked. Central region also has 3 ranked teams.

South/Southeast and West have a total of 0 nationally ranked teams.

As we all know, 2 teams from each region go automatically. Hence, 16 teams wind up at nattys with automatic bids. Next 16 are wild cards, can be any of the other top 5 finishing teams from any other region. Here's how I see it going down:

Midwest gets all 3 at larges for a total of 5 teams. If you add up the ranks of their 5 best teams right now, their score equals a very low 29. Therefore, they will be the first team to get 3 at-larges. This brings our count at NCAAs to 19 teams.

Next up for getting all 5 teams in is yours truly, New England. With a combined score of their top 5 ranked teams at 64, and their 5th team in 17th place, New England gets 3 at larges, making the count at NCAAs 22 teams.

The next region is the Atlantic, with 5 ranked teams and a score of 92 by their combined ranks. Their 5th ranked team is in 32nd place, likely the last team to get in (if they get 5th at regionals). If they get 3 at larges (very likely), this brings the team count at NCAAs to 25.

The Mideast is rather close to the Atlantic region, with a combined score of 94. Although their 5th team is ranked 33rd, neither the Midwest or New England is bringing more than 5 teams (obvi), so they'll likely get in so long as they finish 5th in their region. That means Mideast will probs get 3 at larges too, making a total of teams at NCAAs 28.

Central has 3 ranked teams, and their worst is 29th place. That 3rd team goes, making the count 29 teams.

Great Lakes has 3 ranked teams, but their worst is 35th. However, likely to get in since no region can bring more than 5. That brings the count to 30.

If we break it down another way, the Midwest has 10 nationally ranked teams. New England has 7, Atlantic has 7, Mideast has 5, Central 3 and Great Lakes 3 - South and West 0 each.

With absolutely no one from either the South or West ranked, I see there being no way New England doesn't get 5 teams in. Any other thoughts?

I suppose if Brandeis somehow managed to get the 5 spot, and I'd honestly put the odds of that happening at about 1 in 40, then I could see New England maybe getting four, but even then I'd be surprised if the region didn't get 5.

Not that I think Brandeis has any shot, considering they had a 2 minute spread at UAA's. I actually think Conn or USM could take them.

- wrote:

I suppose if Brandeis somehow managed to get the 5 spot, and I'd honestly put the odds of that happening at about 1 in 40, then I could see New England maybe getting four, but even then I'd be surprised if the region didn't get 5.

Not that I think Brandeis has any shot, considering they had a 2 minute spread at UAA's. I actually think Conn or USM could take them.

so what if Conn or USM took the #5 spot? do they travel?

NO.

If Conn or USM took 5th they would have to overcome not one, but two teams that are ranked in the top 25 nationally. Conn and USM have raced most of these teams of these teams numerous times this year and have given no reason to indicate that they could beat one, let alone two of these teams. They have no chance.

some dude wrote:

Not that I think Brandeis has any shot, considering they had a 2 minute spread at UAA's. I actually think Conn or USM could take them.

so what if Conn or USM took the #5 spot? do they travel?[/quote]

The original suggestion was that conn or usm could possibly beat brandeis for 7th in the region. (with mit, williams, bates, bowdoin, tufts, and midd being the clear top 6 in some order). if a team from outside of that top 6 somehow takes 5th, they will not go to nationals. otherwise the region should get 5

7th wrote:

some dude wrote:

Not that I think Brandeis has any shot, considering they had a 2 minute spread at UAA's. I actually think Conn or USM could take them.

so what if Conn or USM took the #5 spot? do they travel?

The original suggestion was that conn or usm could possibly beat brandeis for 7th in the region. (with mit, williams, bates, bowdoin, tufts, and midd being the clear top 6 in some order). if a team from outside of that top 6 somehow takes 5th, they will not go to nationals. otherwise the region should get 5[/quote]

So what if somehow one of those teams does get 5th? I'd say its a one-in-a-million chance, easy, but what if they did? And furthermore, what if in beating two of those "lock" top 6 teams, they had more of an exceptional day than those teams had a bad one. What I'm trying to say is this: Up until NESCACs nobody thought Bowdoin had much of a chance at getting to NCAAs. They were ranked something awful like 33rd, got stomped by Bates at State of Maine meet, and then came out of left field to tool on everybody 'cept Williams and Bates (debatable). They consistently under-performed for nearly the ENTIRE season! If a few of those Bowdoin guys who stepped up big at NESCACs hadn't stepped up until regionals, and they did something like what they did at NESCACs, everyone would be in a tizzy. What I'm saying is this - Bowdoin went from somewhere in the 30s to 14th in the country after one big meet - NESCACs. Regionals is basically NESCACs + MIT/Brandeis/Keene/USM. If Bowdoin did it in one meet, who says one of these other teams can't climb from out of the dark into the hot seat? And if they do beat one of those top 6 NE teams on mostly their own merits, don't they deserve to go?

No.

Enough of these unrealistic hypotheticals.

sorry, not going to happen. even if someone outside the top 6 gets 5th, they aren't going to nationals. the selection committee looks at your entire body of work over the championship season and amherst, conn, usm, etc have not beaten any of the ranked teams and have never been ranked themselves. only brandeis has had a national ranking at one point this season, and with their decent race at UAA i would say they have a shot (if they get 5th) to go to nationals. any other team would need 4th or higher to go (obviously not going to happen)

Nescac for virgies wrote:

No.

Enough of these unrealistic hypotheticals.

awwww someone is mad the attention is being taken off of them.

correction:

CUMMINS from WES

Also, Bowdoin didn't come out of nowhere. It was definitely a surprise, but they weren't living up to their potential for most of the season. If you had asked me at the beginning of the season I would have said they would be in the contention for the top spot in the region. They had a really talented freshman class last year, that should be coming into form this year- Horowitz, Seekins (15:04, all region 2010), Saba (26:12 at franklin park as a freshman), and Boeding (9:35 FR steeple). Not to mention Ogilvie, who was all region last year, and Hillard, who ran 25:57 at franklin park last year. Nobody else is breaking into the top five like they did, because nobody else has that kind of talent.

The question is whether their breakout at NESCACs was due to well planned training on Slovenski's part, or whether they're just inconsistent and are going to blow up at regionals. I think probably a little bit of both.

Now onto more important matters, who is going to have the best growth 12 days into no-shave November.

Well, judging from pictures of NESCACs it looks like prior to November, Bates, Williams, and Hamilton are the only ones in the mix in regards to facial hair. Bates has four solid beards at the moment, while Williams just has Raduazo and Fitzhenry. Hamilton's got Grebey, some other guy, and another runner with a really nice goatee. I think there's also a Colby runner with something going on.

I know Amherst has the potential for solid growth, even if they were to start now. Some of them have serious stubble. I also recall Seekins from Bowdoin having a beard at one point.