Editor's Note: We changed the title of the thread to be more descriptive. Original title was "Mallard Creek DQ." Here is an article about the DQ: http://charlotteobserver.com/s...
Here is a new video showing what the runner in question did earlier in the meet after winning the 300 hurdles. The official claim she warned him after that win even though what he did in that win seems fine: https://x.com/Sheena_Marie3/st...
"Unsporting conduct is behavior that is unethical or dishonorable. It includes, but is not limited to: disrespectfully addressing an official, any flagrant behavior, intentional contact, taunting, criticizing or using profanity directed toward someone. This shall apply to all coaches, contestants, and other team/school personnel."
he's not addressing an official
no criticizing
no profanity towards someone else
no physical contact
i already explained how it's not taunting to celebrate your own "W" without reference to others
i don't see how it's "flagrant," "unethical," "dishonrable"
i have run out of rule to punish the kid for
I might agreewith you, except:
1) He was warned previously in 300H ("F" bomb?? From lip reading from the clip)
2) All teams in the final were cautioned before the start of the 4x400 not to celebrate early
3) Three strides before the finish, he raises his hand with the five fingers facing backwards (towards others still running). Sorry (not sorry), that is celebrating early and taunting.
IMO, it is unlikely this will be overturned at the state level.
What is "acting like an adult" when you win a big championship? You don't know what you are talking about. The fact that you think your argument is good, shows everyone what and who the real problem is.
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Follow the rules & act like an adult = zero problems
1) He was warned previously in 300H ("F" bomb?? From lip reading from the clip)
2) All teams in the final were cautioned before the start of the 4x400 not to celebrate early
3) Three strides before the finish, he raises his hand with the five fingers facing backwards (towards others still running). Sorry (not sorry), that is celebrating early and taunting.
IMO, it is unlikely this will be overturned at the state level.
What is "acting like an adult" when you win a big championship? You don't know what you are talking about. The fact that you think your argument is good, shows everyone what and who the real problem is.
Okay Sonny, sorry to hurt your delicate feelings with my opinion.
From what I read, he is 18, an adult and about to embark a newchapter in his life - college (?) and beyond. Hopefully, he learns from this unfortunate and avoidable incident. If he does, he reduces the chances of personal disappointment and letting future teammates down.
As it stands as a coach, I would not want him on our team, not matter how 'fast' he is.
Oh, btw I was winning collegiate and two national championships long before you were born.
What is "acting like an adult" when you win a big championship? You don't know what you are talking about. The fact that you think your argument is good, shows everyone what and who the real problem is.
Okay Sonny, sorry to hurt your delicate feelings with my opinion.
From what I read, he is 18, an adult and about to embark a newchapter in his life - college (?) and beyond. Hopefully, he learns from this unfortunate and avoidable incident. If he does, he reduces the chances of personal disappointment and letting future teammates down.
As it stands as a coach, I would not want him on our team, not matter how 'fast' he is.
Oh, btw I was winning collegiate and two national championships long before you were born.
Boomer and proud of it.
Deal with it....
No you weren't. My feelings are not hurt either. I was just stating that your opinion is garbage and also unsubstantiated. You are a just boomer with a naive middle schooler mind-set who needs to trash on a good kid after a moment of success? There is nothing "unadult" or unprofessional, or unsportsmanlike about celebrating a huge victory by raising your hand(s) at the finish line; this is actually the historical norm for all grown adults who win races.
"Unsporting conduct is behavior that is unethical or dishonorable. It includes, but is not limited to: disrespectfully addressing an official, any flagrant behavior, intentional contact, taunting, criticizing or using profanity directed toward someone. This shall apply to all coaches, contestants, and other team/school personnel."
he's not addressing an official
no criticizing
no profanity towards someone else
no physical contact
i already explained how it's not taunting to celebrate your own "W" without reference to others
i don't see how it's "flagrant," "unethical," "dishonrable"
i have run out of rule to punish the kid for
I might agreewith you, except:
1) He was warned previously in 300H ("F" bomb?? From lip reading from the clip)
2) All teams in the final were cautioned before the start of the 4x400 not to celebrate early
3) Three strides before the finish, he raises his hand with the five fingers facing backwards (towards others still running). Sorry (not sorry), that is celebrating early and taunting.
IMO, it is unlikely this will be overturned at the state level.
To be fair, we don’t actually know if a warning happened. But that’s honestly not super relevant. It’s still a clear violation of the rule. People want to talk about other sports, but we have a tradition of good sportsmanship in T&F, no matter how the Noah Lyles of the world make it seem on the professional level.
I always liked how Track and Field was that sport at the end of the year where everyone pretty much got along. I have some happy memories of guys I haaaaaated during football or basketball season (and they hated me too), but everyone just got along in the spring and pushed each other in a sportsmanlike way. And a lot of times that carried over into friendships even beyond the season.
Feels like that’s shifting. Now, we have message boards full of people justifying taunting competitors and disrespecting officials. I guess not all good things last forever. And I don’t think we’re so far down the road where it’s irreversible, but maybe it’s just a sign of the times that kids feel a need to disrespect their fellow runners and/or try to be the latest viral thing on TikTok.
1) He was warned previously in 300H ("F" bomb?? From lip reading from the clip)
2) All teams in the final were cautioned before the start of the 4x400 not to celebrate early
3) Three strides before the finish, he raises his hand with the five fingers facing backwards (towards others still running). Sorry (not sorry), that is celebrating early and taunting.
IMO, it is unlikely this will be overturned at the state level.
To be fair, we don’t actually know if a warning happened. But that’s honestly not super relevant. It’s still a clear violation of the rule. People want to talk about other sports, but we have a tradition of good sportsmanship in T&F, no matter how the Noah Lyles of the world make it seem on the professional level.
I always liked how Track and Field was that sport at the end of the year where everyone pretty much got along. I have some happy memories of guys I haaaaaated during football or basketball season (and they hated me too), but everyone just got along in the spring and pushed each other in a sportsmanlike way. And a lot of times that carried over into friendships even beyond the season.
Feels like that’s shifting. Now, we have message boards full of people justifying taunting competitors and disrespecting officials. I guess not all good things last forever. And I don’t think we’re so far down the road where it’s irreversible, but maybe it’s just a sign of the times that kids feel a need to disrespect their fellow runners and/or try to be the latest viral thing on TikTok.
This is 100% utterly false. There was no taunting and people have been celebrating race victories in a similar fashion since racing was a human activity. You do not need to ruin a child's success with your fantasy projection of reality. In HS there were fist fights in the woods with our rival teams while we were racing; that is poor sportsmanship, but neither team ever complained. Raising your hand(s) at the finish line at the moment of victory is not a violation of any rule and a running tradition that is by far the most normal action that occurs at the tape of victory. There was no taunting.
To be fair, we don’t actually know if a warning happened. But that’s honestly not super relevant. It’s still a clear violation of the rule. People want to talk about other sports, but we have a tradition of good sportsmanship in T&F, no matter how the Noah Lyles of the world make it seem on the professional level.
I always liked how Track and Field was that sport at the end of the year where everyone pretty much got along. I have some happy memories of guys I haaaaaated during football or basketball season (and they hated me too), but everyone just got along in the spring and pushed each other in a sportsmanlike way. And a lot of times that carried over into friendships even beyond the season.
Feels like that’s shifting. Now, we have message boards full of people justifying taunting competitors and disrespecting officials. I guess not all good things last forever. And I don’t think we’re so far down the road where it’s irreversible, but maybe it’s just a sign of the times that kids feel a need to disrespect their fellow runners and/or try to be the latest viral thing on TikTok.
This is 100% utterly false. There was no taunting and people have been celebrating race victories in a similar fashion since racing was a human activity. You do not need to ruin a child's success with your fantasy projection of reality. In HS there were fist fights in the woods with our rival teams while we were racing; that is poor sportsmanship, but neither team ever complained. Raising your hand(s) at the finish line at the moment of victory is not a violation of any rule and a running tradition that is by far the most normal action that occurs at the tape of victory. There was no taunting.
To make my position clear again, I don’t agree with a DQ because I do not believe that is proportional to this level of taunting. But it’s clear what the runner was doing, and it was taunting. Further, the runner disrespected his opponents, the officials, and even more critically, his team, and most of all, himself. It was clearly taunting (not once that day, but at least twice!) and exposed him to the risk of a disqualification, which did in fact happen. Again, I don’t agree with the DQ but it’s a non-starter entirely to try to justify the clear taunting. There are lessons to be learned here. It is not a valuable or productive lesson to teach kids they should just be able to do whatever they want as long as they personally disagree with a rule.
This is 100% utterly false. There was no taunting and people have been celebrating race victories in a similar fashion since racing was a human activity. You do not need to ruin a child's success with your fantasy projection of reality. In HS there were fist fights in the woods with our rival teams while we were racing; that is poor sportsmanship, but neither team ever complained. Raising your hand(s) at the finish line at the moment of victory is not a violation of any rule and a running tradition that is by far the most normal action that occurs at the tape of victory. There was no taunting.
To make my position clear again, I don’t agree with a DQ because I do not believe that is proportional to this level of taunting. But it’s clear what the runner was doing, and it was taunting. Further, the runner disrespected his opponents, the officials, and even more critically, his team, and most of all, himself. It was clearly taunting (not once that day, but at least twice!) and exposed him to the risk of a disqualification, which did in fact happen. Again, I don’t agree with the DQ but it’s a non-starter entirely to try to justify the clear taunting. There are lessons to be learned here. It is not a valuable or productive lesson to teach kids they should just be able to do whatever they want as long as they personally disagree with a rule.
It was not taunting and not disrespectful. I am just pointing out that your position is incorrect and misguided and is intentionally slandering a strong young athlete and his team for absolutely no legitimate reason.
1) He was warned previously in 300H ("F" bomb?? From lip reading from the clip)
2) All teams in the final were cautioned before the start of the 4x400 not to celebrate early
3) Three strides before the finish, he raises his hand with the five fingers facing backwards (towards others still running). Sorry (not sorry), that is celebrating early and taunting.
IMO, it is unlikely this will be overturned at the state level.
To be fair, we don’t actually know if a warning happened. But that’s honestly not super relevant. It’s still a clear violation of the rule. People want to talk about other sports, but we have a tradition of good sportsmanship in T&F, no matter how the Noah Lyles of the world make it seem on the professional level.
I always liked how Track and Field was that sport at the end of the year where everyone pretty much got along. I have some happy memories of guys I haaaaaated during football or basketball season (and they hated me too), but everyone just got along in the spring and pushed each other in a sportsmanlike way. And a lot of times that carried over into friendships even beyond the season.
Feels like that’s shifting. Now, we have message boards full of people justifying taunting competitors and disrespecting officials. I guess not all good things last forever. And I don’t think we’re so far down the road where it’s irreversible, but maybe it’s just a sign of the times that kids feel a need to disrespect their fellow runners and/or try to be the latest viral thing on TikTok.
nobody is justifying taunting other competitors. There was no taunting. That's an argument you are having with yourself.
To make my position clear again, I don’t agree with a DQ because I do not believe that is proportional to this level of taunting. But it’s clear what the runner was doing, and it was taunting. Further, the runner disrespected his opponents, the officials, and even more critically, his team, and most of all, himself. It was clearly taunting (not once that day, but at least twice!) and exposed him to the risk of a disqualification, which did in fact happen. Again, I don’t agree with the DQ but it’s a non-starter entirely to try to justify the clear taunting. There are lessons to be learned here. It is not a valuable or productive lesson to teach kids they should just be able to do whatever they want as long as they personally disagree with a rule.
It was not taunting and not disrespectful. I am just pointing out that your position is incorrect and misguided and is intentionally slandering a strong young athlete and his team for absolutely no legitimate reason.
Slander is spoken (not that I’d expect you to understand something most of us learned by middle school), and it’s also an absolute defense to libel or slander for something to be you know… true. And it’s on video. So good luck with that.
"Unsporting conduct is behavior that is unethical or dishonorable. It includes, but is not limited to: disrespectfully addressing an official, any flagrant behavior, intentional contact, taunting, criticizing or using profanity directed toward someone. This shall apply to all coaches, contestants, and other team/school personnel."
he's not addressing an official
no criticizing
no profanity towards someone else
no physical contact
i already explained how it's not taunting to celebrate your own "W" without reference to others
i don't see how it's "flagrant," "unethical," "dishonrable"
i have run out of rule to punish the kid for
I might agreewith you, except:
1) He was warned previously in 300H ("F" bomb?? From lip reading from the clip)
2) All teams in the final were cautioned before the start of the 4x400 not to celebrate early
3) Three strides before the finish, he raises his hand with the five fingers facing backwards (towards others still running). Sorry (not sorry), that is celebrating early and taunting.
IMO, it is unlikely this will be overturned at the state level.
The five fingers were facing forward. His open palm was what faced backwards.
Does anybody know why HS officials are so against celebrations?
1) He was warned previously in 300H ("F" bomb?? From lip reading from the clip)
2) All teams in the final were cautioned before the start of the 4x400 not to celebrate early
3) Three strides before the finish, he raises his hand with the five fingers facing backwards (towards others still running). Sorry (not sorry), that is celebrating early and taunting.
IMO, it is unlikely this will be overturned at the state level.
The five fingers were facing forward. His open palm was what faced backwards.
Does anybody know why HS officials are so against celebrations?
His palm was facing backwards towards the runners who had not yet finished. (visualize if you can, someone making the peace sign. The palm is facing the intended recipient of the gesture). Similarly, this taunting was directed at the other athletes. If you don’t want rules against celebrations before crossing the finish line, then change the rules. An appeal at the state level has been filed. Let’s see what they say. Until then, the officials ruling stands.
The five fingers were facing forward. His open palm was what faced backwards.
Does anybody know why HS officials are so against celebrations?
His palm was facing backwards towards the runners who had not yet finished. (visualize if you can, someone making the peace sign. The palm is facing the intended recipient of the gesture). Similarly, this taunting was directed at the other athletes. If you don’t want rules against celebrations before crossing the finish line, then change the rules. An appeal at the state level has been filed. Let’s see what they say. Until then, the officials ruling stands.
His palm was facing backwards towards the runners who had not yet finished. (visualize if you can, someone making the peace sign. The palm is facing the intended recipient of the gesture). Similarly, this taunting was directed at the other athletes. If you don’t want rules against celebrations before crossing the finish line, then change the rules. An appeal at the state level has been filed. Let’s see what they say. Until then, the officials ruling stands.
It was not taunting and not disrespectful. I am just pointing out that your position is incorrect and misguided and is intentionally slandering a strong young athlete and his team for absolutely no legitimate reason.
Slander is spoken (not that I’d expect you to understand something most of us learned by middle school), and it’s also an absolute defense to libel or slander for something to be you know… true. And it’s on video. So good luck with that.
Dude, libel/slander, whatever, nobody is suing you, but you are intentionally harming this young athlete whom has been described as a hard working good kid, and for what? You are a grown adult. He didn't do anything wrong, what you claim is true is not, how you claim the sport is decaying is not occurring, your delusional fantasy about track in the past is untrue. Why bring a good top athlete down for absolutely no reason? You have no good reason other than needling on unrelated definitions and acting like your running success 50 years ago means anything on a Letsrun forum. You are a dime in a dozen of old timers on Letsrun needing to bring children down to pick your washed up self up. It makes no sense. You make no logical sense.
What was it then? Good luck arguing that it’s a part of his stride pattern 390 meters into a 400 meter relay leg.
He was at the finish, not 390....nor would that really matter to anyone other than a deranged turd. There was no taunting and no behavior atypical of an athlete winning a big race.
What was it then? Good luck arguing that it’s a part of his stride pattern 390 meters into a 400 meter relay leg.
He was at the finish, not 390....nor would that really matter to anyone other than a deranged turd. There was no taunting and no behavior atypical of an athlete winning a big race.
So you’re going to correct me as to when the taunting occurred, but also try to argue he wasn’t taunting? LOL you played yourself on that one.
He was at the finish, not 390....nor would that really matter to anyone other than a deranged turd. There was no taunting and no behavior atypical of an athlete winning a big race.
So you’re going to correct me as to when the taunting occurred, but also try to argue he wasn’t taunting? LOL you played yourself on that one.
There was celebration at the finish, which is allowed and normal, and has been normal for the entire history of track and field. You are just a troll trying to get people to cuss at you online by trashing a successful child's career.
So you’re going to correct me as to when the taunting occurred, but also try to argue he wasn’t taunting? LOL you played yourself on that one.
Taunting and celebrating have different definitions yet you keep trudging forward presupposing that everyone agrees with you that what he did was taunting. However, it appears almost nobody does.
This is my final post because you’re being obtuse.