Strong competition. Lutkenhaus won. At age 17. Great achievement.
Will he win more titles? Let's wait and see.
But none of the global outdoor medallists. The indoor champs aren't in the same league as the outdoor championships. Nice to win but not top of the sport.
Five 1:42 guys - strong competition. You are absolutely right (some rarity), an Olympic title is worth more.
But none of the global outdoor medallists. The indoor champs aren't in the same league as the outdoor championships. Nice to win but not top of the sport.
Five 1:42 guys - strong competition. You are absolutely right (some rarity), an Olympic title is worth more.
Yet if all the Olympic and outdoor global medallists had been competing the chances are Lutkenhaus wouldn't have placed at the indoors. But they stayed away. It didn't matter to them.
Five 1:42 guys - strong competition. You are absolutely right (some rarity), an Olympic title is worth more.
Yet if all the Olympic and outdoor global medallists had been competing the chances are Lutkenhaus wouldn't have placed at the indoors. But they stayed away. It didn't matter to them.
Yes, most likely he wouldn't have beaten an in-form Wanyonyi. But he isn't that far away from the very best (but the no 12, 19, 25, 31, 43 IN HISTORY were there - strong field) in the event and even would stand a chance of beating them. At age 17.
Cooper's 200m time in his workout preparing for the World Indoor Championship is the topic. The video the OP shared in the first post is titled, "World Champ Workout | Cooper Lutkenhaus' Fastest 200m Ever." That's what I commented on, responding to the OP directly.
My reaction to seeing an athlete who had run 1:42 last year record his fastest 200m ever was that he must be ready to win gold. That's what the workout indicated to me. And that's exactly what happened.
I commented on what Cooper's workout indicated for the World Indoor Championship race it was preparing him for. You commented on other runners. Next time try to stay on topic.
Your "reaction" to Lutkenhaus running an unexceptional 200 time is your reaction, not necessarily anyone else's. But to ease you out of your stress, since this has apparently caused you so much, let me say that it must be very rewarding for you that Lutkenhaus now matches Geordie Beamish for a world indoor title. But of course Beamish still remains ahead of him for outdoor titles.
Of course my reaction was mine. I never claimed it was anyone else's. It turned out my reaction was correct. The gold was Cooper's for the taking, and he took it.
I am not stressed at all and have no reason to be. Cooper's win proved that I was correct. I am happy to see him become the youngest male to win a world championship gold medal, indoors or out. It is a remarkable achievement.
Why do you keep bringing up runners from other events in a thread about Cooper? Apparently you are incapable of staying on topic. If you don't have anything else to say on the topic, please leave.
Btw, CL’s coach went on record saying he thinks CL is capable of running 44-high for 400 right now. And while I myself don’t quite believe that, I would think his coach would know better than any of us based on his history and experience w CL and his workouts. So, if that’s even remotely true, then that flying 21.8 at the end of the workout was indicative of nothing as far as CL’s shorter distance capability. Which is what I said to begin with. Obviously they know that CL was well within himself on that 21.8. Well within himself.
It is weird the Armstrong has such a fixation with Hocker, mainly because he thinks he’s on drugs.
How does a 21.8 flying start 200 (so 22-mid FAT) show how an 800 runner is ready to win a world title? You are aware that every international 800 athlete could run that time? It also says nothing about whether he could run 44-high for the 400. That would require 20.8FAT for the 200. He won't get near that.
Why are you so buggered, mate? First of all, Beamish is a badass. Especially winning world championships in two events and being willing to move to and succeed in an event that wasn’t originally his. Dude is pure fire. Just because we may not like your politicians or world view doesn’t mean we let it spill over into our acknowledgment of Kiwi athletic greatness, even if the best Kiwi steepler does train w an American coach🙂
Moreover, I think I’ll listen to CL’s coach rather than a Kiwi-board warrior about his 200/400 capability. Clearly his coach knows how *easy* that flying 21.8 was after the primary workout. Which not only gave them immense confidence that he could win the WC but also that he can run high-44s for 400. Which means his coach believes CL can run 20.9-20.95 from blocks, fresh. He would know, not you. That 21.8 wasn’t close to being all out, PR or not.
CL looked like a seasoned pro at the WC taking down the dude who has the second best global indoor time at the moment and two of the top five. A dude who is ten years older than CL. It is premature to say anything about CL at this point other than he’s much further ahead of where he was last year at this time and he’s a world champion.
Be happy for him. Stop refuting his coach and bringing up silly, disingenuous comparisons. At some point, your own voice must annoy you.
How does a 21.8 flying start 200 (so 22-mid FAT) show how an 800 runner is ready to win a world title? You are aware that every international 800 athlete could run that time? It also says nothing about whether he could run 44-high for the 400. That would require 20.8FAT for the 200. He won't get near that.
Why are you so buggered, mate? First of all, Beamish is a badass. Especially winning world championships in two events and being willing to move to and succeed in an event that wasn’t originally his. Dude is pure fire. Just because we may not like your politicians or world view doesn’t mean we let it spill over into our acknowledgment of Kiwi athletic greatness, even if the best Kiwi steepler does train w an American coach🙂
Moreover, I think I’ll listen to CL’s coach rather than a Kiwi-board warrior about his 200/400 capability. Clearly his coach knows how *easy* that flying 21.8 was after the primary workout. Which not only gave them immense confidence that he could win the WC but also that he can run high-44s for 400. Which means his coach believes CL can run 20.9-20.95 from blocks, fresh. He would know, not you. That 21.8 wasn’t close to being all out, PR or not.
CL looked like a seasoned pro at the WC taking down the dude who has the second best global indoor time at the moment and two of the top five. A dude who is ten years older than CL. It is premature to say anything about CL at this point other than he’s much further ahead of where he was last year at this time and he’s a world champion.
Be happy for him. Stop refuting his coach and bringing up silly, disingenuous comparisons. At some point, your own voice must annoy you.
His coach is refuted by the facts. CL hasn't run 44-high for the 400; he hasn't run below 22 for the 200 or his coach would have said so. Not has he run 20.8 or anywhere near it for the 200 off a flying start - or his coach would have said so. It all remains mere speculation and pr.
But putting the achievements of American athletes in perspective isn't the usual here.
Your "reaction" to Lutkenhaus running an unexceptional 200 time is your reaction, not necessarily anyone else's. But to ease you out of your stress, since this has apparently caused you so much, let me say that it must be very rewarding for you that Lutkenhaus now matches Geordie Beamish for a world indoor title. But of course Beamish still remains ahead of him for outdoor titles.
Of course my reaction was mine. I never claimed it was anyone else's. It turned out my reaction was correct. The gold was Cooper's for the taking, and he took it.
I am not stressed at all and have no reason to be. Cooper's win proved that I was correct. I am happy to see him become the youngest male to win a world championship gold medal, indoors or out. It is a remarkable achievement.
Why do you keep bringing up runners from other events in a thread about Cooper? Apparently you are incapable of staying on topic. If you don't have anything else to say on the topic, please leave.
Comparisons with other athletes is a routine here and in the sport. Athletes aren't running against themselves. It is quite legitimate to point out that so far he has only matched a runner like Beamish when indoor titles are the measure of achievement. If you think he can only be justifiably be compared with 800 specialists how is he doing compared to Rudisha, Kipketer and Wanyonyi? And don't trot out his age. It doesn't count in open categories.
Of course my reaction was mine. I never claimed it was anyone else's. It turned out my reaction was correct. The gold was Cooper's for the taking, and he took it.
I am not stressed at all and have no reason to be. Cooper's win proved that I was correct. I am happy to see him become the youngest male to win a world championship gold medal, indoors or out. It is a remarkable achievement.
Why do you keep bringing up runners from other events in a thread about Cooper? Apparently you are incapable of staying on topic. If you don't have anything else to say on the topic, please leave.
Comparisons with other athletes is a routine here and in the sport. Athletes aren't running against themselves. It is quite legitimate to point out that so far he has only matched a runner like Beamish when indoor titles are the measure of achievement. If you think he can only be justifiably be compared with 800 specialists how is he doing compared to Rudisha, Kipketer and Wanyonyi? And don't trot out his age. It doesn't count in open categories.
Cooper wasn't running against Beamish, Hocker, Jakob, Rudisha, Kipketer, or Wanyonyi. They are not the topic of this thread.
If you want to create another thread to compare how Cooper's lifetime track achievements at age 17 compare to other athletes, go ahead. That's a different topic.
The topic for this thread is the 200m Cooper ran as part of his workout in preparation for the World Indoor Championship 800m race. If you don't have anything else to say on the topic, please leave.
Any further off-topic comments from you will be reported.
I think a lot of you people underestimate what kind of speed it takes to run 45.5 and especially 45.0. These are 21.0 / 20.5 speed requirements minimum
I think you don't understand that he's more of an endurance type 800 runner.
Comparisons with other athletes is a routine here and in the sport. Athletes aren't running against themselves. It is quite legitimate to point out that so far he has only matched a runner like Beamish when indoor titles are the measure of achievement. If you think he can only be justifiably be compared with 800 specialists how is he doing compared to Rudisha, Kipketer and Wanyonyi? And don't trot out his age. It doesn't count in open categories.
Cooper wasn't running against Beamish, Hocker, Jakob, Rudisha, Kipketer, or Wanyonyi. They are not the topic of this thread.
If you want to create another thread to compare how Cooper's lifetime track achievements at age 17 compare to other athletes, go ahead. That's a different topic.
The topic for this thread is the 200m Cooper ran as part of his workout in preparation for the World Indoor Championship 800m race. If you don't have anything else to say on the topic, please leave.
Any further off-topic comments from you will be reported.
I have commented throughout on his 21.8 run, it was you who expanded the topic to your certainty he was going to win the indoors - which wasn't the thread topic but your interpretation of it. I have since put his win in perspective. But you won't have to worry about reading views you don't like; the mods always look after those like you who can't cope.
I think a lot of you people underestimate what kind of speed it takes to run 45.5 and especially 45.0. These are 21.0 / 20.5 speed requirements minimum
I think you don't understand that he's more of an endurance type 800 runner.
That's what most on this thread don't get. They think his 21.8 flying 200 means he is at least a full second faster. There's no evidence of it.
Cooper wasn't running against Beamish, Hocker, Jakob, Rudisha, Kipketer, or Wanyonyi. They are not the topic of this thread.
If you want to create another thread to compare how Cooper's lifetime track achievements at age 17 compare to other athletes, go ahead. That's a different topic.
The topic for this thread is the 200m Cooper ran as part of his workout in preparation for the World Indoor Championship 800m race. If you don't have anything else to say on the topic, please leave.
Any further off-topic comments from you will be reported.
I have commented throughout on his 21.8 run, it was you who expanded the topic to your certainty he was going to win the indoors - which wasn't the thread topic but your interpretation of it. I have since put his win in perspective. But you won't have to worry about reading views you don't like; the mods always look after those like you who can't cope.
How did discussing the World Champ Workout's implications for Cooper's prospects in the World Indoor Championships expand the topic???
You haven't put his win in perspective. You've tried to diminish it. Embarrassingly so.
I have no coping to do because what I said would happen came to pass. You are obviously the one doing all the coping (and seething).
I have commented throughout on his 21.8 run, it was you who expanded the topic to your certainty he was going to win the indoors - which wasn't the thread topic but your interpretation of it. I have since put his win in perspective. But you won't have to worry about reading views you don't like; the mods always look after those like you who can't cope.
How did discussing the World Champ Workout's implications for Cooper's prospects in the World Indoor Championships expand the topic???
You haven't put his win in perspective. You've tried to diminish it. Embarrassingly so.
I have no coping to do because what I said would happen came to pass. You are obviously the one doing all the coping (and seething).
Exactly. Plus, why isn’t he putting it in the perspective of all 17-year olds anywhere around the globe EVER winning a global championship in history rather than just contemporary, late-20 something Brits and Kiwis? Because that would be the fair comparison and the “perspective.” Oh wait.
I think you don't understand that he's more of an endurance type 800 runner.
That's what most on this thread don't get. They think his 21.8 flying 200 means he is at least a full second faster. There's no evidence of it.
Right. Just as there’s no evidence that he can’t break 22 FAT just because of a “conversion” from a workout time, and he’s never done it before and is two years removed from doing one as a 15-year old frosh. Nobody here is saying CL can run 44.9. But his coach is. And his coach just steered him to a gold medal.