Really hope the best runner in the world didn’t get operated on by a podiatrist.
Well, the best foot and ankle surgeon in the world for distance runners happens to be a podiatrist. Now until a decade ago only the crappy ortho guys went into foot and ankle. Saxena will retire in another 5 years and the new crop of foot and ankle ortho will finally produce a recognizable leader. Let's face it most older foot and ankle orthos are a freaking joke.
He should have went for a couple more world records when he was in 7:17 shape.
You are correct. The window is closed shut and locked. We will never see Jakob in that kind of shape again. Nobody comes back from multiple achilles injuries which need surgery. Nobody. He had a great career. I actually think that he can be a great coach. It would be cool to see him start his own group and begin recruiting. He and his bros know what they are doing.
He just posted in insta confirming he has surgery. Is indeed in a boot.
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When will these hercules record fall?
Somebody, anyone?
El G was is and will be forever the greatest distance runner of all time.
Please guys Jakob is just giving you all empty promises and sugarcoating his come back and his promises of world record this summer. A man who knows he probably won't do it will try to make promises 6 months out because he needs that marketing dollars. I dislike his money-facing approach to sport. If it was El G he would have just stfu and go train, no talking. Now Jakob talks so much till the DoD/Cia has started adopting him as a lab rat and beam him with illegal microwave weapons.
You are correct. The window is closed shut and locked. We will never see Jakob in that kind of shape again. Nobody comes back from multiple achilles injuries which need surgery. Nobody. He had a great career. I actually think that he can be a great coach. It would be cool to see him start his own group and begin recruiting. He and his bros know what they are doing.
Haile Gebrselassie?
No, check your history hey hey hey? The poster is right about it. Haile didn't come back to the same level in the 5k and 10k, he escaped to the marathon. Did we see him break another 5k and 10k WR after only 1 major achilles injuries?
Answer: NO.
The marathon is 4 times longer than the 10k and is ran at slower speeds which is easier on the achilles in terms of ground force and intensity.
The truth is right, I agree with Rojo and the poster that Jakob is clearly lying to us all about running a WR this summer. He keeps telling us all these fictional stories and refuses to admit the truth, his WR days are over. I'll be happy if he can qualify for another 1500m global final. Same for Kerr.
Kerr running 8:07 looking like there is a rock underneath his butt, stride way too heavy, he can't keep himself afloat like in 2024 millrose. His arms, he's fat, he has lost that killer touch, you can see it in the athlete's stride, the way he moves, it's bioelectromagnetic. It's been wiped out by evil forces. My personal opinion is the DoD.
So yeah, the surgery he had isn't the most complicated but ...
1- How did he get injured in the first place, is he addressing this?
2- His training is largely based on double thresholds + light volume of added hills/speed. Nothing that he does is particularly taxing in terms of speed/impact. So if gets injured with that training regimen, what is he going to change? Reducing volume would make the Double Threshold less efficient. Changing to a more traditional training with higher volume of speed work would risk reinjuring the Achilles.
I don't really see a scenario where he achieves both health and fitness from there
Poor recovery. As soon as he will start sleeping better, the risk of injury will lessen.
Yes why isnt' this highlighted by OP? Why talk about all his injury and all like do we really care? We know he is injured, give us the damn reason which is staring us in the face.
POOR RECOVERY due to large EMF doses including from secret weapons which burned up Jakob's nervous system and made him can't recovery, can't sleeping, can't what else? He can't run can he?
Well he really can't run now, I fear his very next step after 3 weeks of rest again ends in misery for him.
I'm extremely furious with the DoD. i'm gonna go consult an attorney and see what can be done to shut up his farce.
He just posted in insta confirming he has surgery. Is indeed in a boot.
3:26:00
3:43:13
When will these hercules record fall?
Somebody, anyone?
El G was is and will be forever the greatest distance runner of all time.
Please guys Jakob is just giving you all empty promises and sugarcoating his come back and his promises of world record this summer. A man who knows he probably won't do it will try to make promises 6 months out because he needs that marketing dollars. I dislike his money-facing approach to sport. If it was El G he would have just stfu and go train, no talking. Now Jakob talks so much till the DoD/Cia has started adopting him as a lab rat and beam him with illegal microwave weapons.
I don’t know about the DoD but I do know that El G was allowed to dope freely, good for the sport and Africa, etc, blah blah.
No, check your history hey hey hey? The poster is right about it. Haile didn't come back to the same level in the 5k and 10k, he escaped to the marathon. Did we see him break another 5k and 10k WR after only 1 major achilles injuries?
Answer: NO.
The marathon is 4 times longer than the 10k and is ran at slower speeds which is easier on the achilles in terms of ground force and intensity.
The truth is right, I agree with Rojo and the poster that Jakob is clearly lying to us all about running a WR this summer. He keeps telling us all these fictional stories and refuses to admit the truth, his WR days are over. I'll be happy if he can qualify for another 1500m global final. Same for Kerr.
Kerr running 8:07 looking like there is a rock underneath his butt, stride way too heavy, he can't keep himself afloat like in 2024 millrose. His arms, he's fat, he has lost that killer touch, you can see it in the athlete's stride, the way he moves, it's bioelectromagnetic. It's been wiped out by evil forces. My personal opinion is the DoD.
El G was is and will be forever the greatest distance runner of all time.
Please guys Jakob is just giving you all empty promises and sugarcoating his come back and his promises of world record this summer. A man who knows he probably won't do it will try to make promises 6 months out because he needs that marketing dollars. I dislike his money-facing approach to sport. If it was El G he would have just stfu and go train, no talking. Now Jakob talks so much till the DoD/Cia has started adopting him as a lab rat and beam him with illegal microwave weapons.
I don’t know about the DoD but I do know that El G was allowed to dope freely, good for the sport and Africa, etc, blah blah.
possible but also unlikely somewhat. had he doped freely, the DoD would have sussed him out and exposed him as they record every email, every conversation, every emotion, every thought, every sight, every timespace. DoD is the greatest manipulator of timespace ever known to mankind. they would not have let El G away scotfree. Morocco would have been flattened with missiles and bombs and trade embargos.
Hocker was allowed to be benefited with secretive microwave beams that increases endurances and neuromuscular activation
No, check your history hey hey hey? The poster is right about it. Haile didn't come back to the same level in the 5k and 10k, he escaped to the marathon. Did we see him break another 5k and 10k WR after only 1 major achilles injuries?
Answer: NO.
The marathon is 4 times longer than the 10k and is ran at slower speeds which is easier on the achilles in terms of ground force and intensity.
The truth is right, I agree with Rojo and the poster that Jakob is clearly lying to us all about running a WR this summer. He keeps telling us all these fictional stories and refuses to admit the truth, his WR days are over. I'll be happy if he can qualify for another 1500m global final. Same for Kerr.
Kerr running 8:07 looking like there is a rock underneath his butt, stride way too heavy, he can't keep himself afloat like in 2024 millrose. His arms, he's fat, he has lost that killer touch, you can see it in the athlete's stride, the way he moves, it's bioelectromagnetic. It's been wiped out by evil forces. My personal opinion is the DoD.
Jakob is also fat as hell now like Kerr.
Where is that skinny slick sinew of El Guerrouj?
I can't find it...
Khamis is that you?
His co-adopted muse instead. Is that a problem? I'm not as craze about RF but made to be so after seeing so much injustice in our sport. There is too much weirdness in our sport's timespace now, it all doesn't make sense any more. Only DoD has the power in its hands to manipulate all these weirdness. Believe me, I wanted to see Jakob run 3:22 this summer. You as well right? Who doesn't? But the more we desire that the further away he floats?
This doesn't make sense. It is proof of shady mind control and Rf interference in the brain. Jakob is clearly not sleeping right at night. he is clearly not getting REM sleep and clearly not digesting nutrients properly. He doesn't know it.
This doesn't make sense. It is proof of shady mind control and Rf interference in the brain. Jakob is clearly not sleeping right at night. he is clearly not getting REM sleep and clearly not digesting nutrients properly. He doesn't know it.
Sounds like a podiatrist. Just imagine being a professional athlete, training your entire life to be that good, flying across the world to the US where there are some of the finest surgeons in the world only to get operated on by a person that couldn’t get into med school.
This is why I hate so many doctors. When I was running and coaching, I used to always think, "A orthopedic surgeon/doc is almost always worthless. They'll simply order an MRI and tell you not to run." A podiatrist or physical therapist will actually try to get you back and works with these type of injuries all of the time.
Some idiot orthopedic surgeon thinks he knows more about running than Amol Saxena. LOL.
It would be like saying we shouldn't let Elon Musk launch rockets because he doesn't have a PHD (according to GEMINI, SpaceX offers significantly lower launch costs than NASA, with Falcon 9 flights costing around $62–$67 million compared to over $2 billion for NASA's Space Launch System (SLS).)
Amol operated on me 15+ years ago. Looking back what I thought was great about him (but annoyed me at the time) is he didn't think "Oh let's operate first." In fact, I was pushing for it and he didn't want to do it without making sure we'd tried everything else.
Can you imagine being dumb enough to risk your career as a pro runner by going to some ortho who has never done the surgery before or does it like once every 5 years versus some who does it all the time?
It's my understanding the actual surgery isn't that complicated. So imagine it's like cooking. Would you rather have a chef who cooks every day making your meal or someone who wrote a textbook on cooking but has never actually made the meal you need.
Here is a post Amol made on facebook last night.
Amol wrote:
This was a humbling week after treating kids who could not walk & Olympic champion who cannot train. Different goals, but goals none the less. Honored to help them & all in between. Was thinking how my "career" kind of tracked in some what of a peak in decade increments: 1986, started sports medicine marketing with Puma. As a poor Podiatry Student the stipend made a big difference. Also became President of Scholl's Sports Medicine Club where we had 20+ activities & left a $2K+ surplus...1996 Operated on my 1st World Athletics Medalist, 2006 started the Shockwave study, anti-gravity treadmill, treating many Nike athletes as well as other pros, including operating on a Gold Medalist & a future Silver Medalist, 2016 had 6 patients win Olympic Medals, bringing me to 2026, another Olympic Gold Medalist & gratifying work with Operation Footprint. Had another "kid" now 32 that I treated he & all his family members for over 20 yrs. A lot of great memories! Not sure I will be still at it at 2036 but grateful for all the trust and confidence my patients have given me. Will hang in there through 2032 Olympics if possible since I am board certified through 2033...
Indeed, Amol, is the best and he is a Podiatrist. Podiatrists are not chiropractors, they go to school much longer than dentists and at least as long as Primary Care docs. Same curriculum in school, same rotations in residency as MD. Orthopedic surgeons are not well trained at all on foot and ankle. Knees and hips...yes. Ortho are pretty good with trauma/fractured ankles but are very poor physicians in the foot and ankle. They were kind of late to the table and are still catching up. They could certainly be just as good with the right training. They get trained well in general ortho and don't take a single hour of biomechanics of the foot. All the best foot and ankle surgeons are DPMs. My top 20 hospital system fired all the ortho foot and ankle docs for poor care, delayed care, and being difficult to work with. The MD/DOs of our system advocated for Podiatry to replace them and we did. 4 years undergrad, 4 years of med school (podiatrists have their own med schools- same curriculum) and 3 years of residency is much better training than ortho who just dabble in the foot for a short fellowship- 1 year! Podiatrists start some training in foot and ankle at year 1 though 7 years of training. Orthopedic surgery itself wrote an opinion article in the Journal of Bone and Joint Surgery (their own flagship journal) lamenting the poor training of orthopedic surgeons in foot and ankle. Their own words. If you go to ortho for foot, you are simulated/practice patient.
This post was edited 12 minutes after it was posted.
So yeah, the surgery he had isn't the most complicated but ...
1- How did he get injured in the first place, is he addressing this?
2- His training is largely based on double thresholds + light volume of added hills/speed. Nothing that he does is particularly taxing in terms of speed/impact. So if gets injured with that training regimen, what is he going to change? Reducing volume would make the Double Threshold less efficient. Changing to a more traditional training with higher volume of speed work would risk reinjuring the Achilles.
I don't really see a scenario where he achieves both health and fitness from there
Like other people pointed out, it seems he has been hurt twice from hill intervals. Avoid them in future training cycles and see what happens.
Ive been saying this for years. The dogma of sprinting up hill being "easy on the body" and flat ground being supremely dangerous is just plain weird. Sprinting up hill could certainly decrease pounding but unquestionably vastly increases forces across the achilles, glutes and hamstrings to name a few. If you survive it great, but don't act like it's harmless. Hill sprints are key part of training, but I think its misleading to have athletes think they are this magical thing that has low risk.
OMG, I've never seen a comment here more lacking in self-awareness. If expertise was needed to opine on a topic, you wouldn't have 44,125 posts here.
Expertise isn't needed to "opine on a topic". You and most other posters show that. But to make a medical diagnosis usually requires medical qualifications.
No, check your history hey hey hey? The poster is right about it. Haile didn't come back to the same level in the 5k and 10k, he escaped to the marathon. Did we see him break another 5k and 10k WR after only 1 major achilles injuries?
Answer: NO.
The marathon is 4 times longer than the 10k and is ran at slower speeds which is easier on the achilles in terms of ground force and intensity.
The truth is right, I agree with Rojo and the poster that Jakob is clearly lying to us all about running a WR this summer. He keeps telling us all these fictional stories and refuses to admit the truth, his WR days are over. I'll be happy if he can qualify for another 1500m global final. Same for Kerr.
Kerr running 8:07 looking like there is a rock underneath his butt, stride way too heavy, he can't keep himself afloat like in 2024 millrose. His arms, he's fat, he has lost that killer touch, you can see it in the athlete's stride, the way he moves, it's bioelectromagnetic. It's been wiped out by evil forces. My personal opinion is the DoD.
Jakob is also fat as hell now like Kerr.
Where is that skinny slick sinew of El Guerrouj?
I can't find it...
Post achilles surgery Geb won global champ medals against some of the greatest distance runners of all time and broke at least 3 World Records at different distances. That is hardly not coming back from multiple achilles injuries which required surgery. There are other examples such as Carlos Lopes or Charlie Spedding who went on to set lifetime PRs or World Records, and win medals at Global Championships all post achilles surgeries. Each case is different of course but there are examples that show that achilles surgery is not always a career ender for some runners at the highest level.
No, check your history hey hey hey? The poster is right about it. Haile didn't come back to the same level in the 5k and 10k, he escaped to the marathon. Did we see him break another 5k and 10k WR after only 1 major achilles injuries?
Answer: NO.
The marathon is 4 times longer than the 10k and is ran at slower speeds which is easier on the achilles in terms of ground force and intensity.
The truth is right, I agree with Rojo and the poster that Jakob is clearly lying to us all about running a WR this summer. He keeps telling us all these fictional stories and refuses to admit the truth, his WR days are over. I'll be happy if he can qualify for another 1500m global final. Same for Kerr.
Kerr running 8:07 looking like there is a rock underneath his butt, stride way too heavy, he can't keep himself afloat like in 2024 millrose. His arms, he's fat, he has lost that killer touch, you can see it in the athlete's stride, the way he moves, it's bioelectromagnetic. It's been wiped out by evil forces. My personal opinion is the DoD.
Jakob is also fat as hell now like Kerr.
Where is that skinny slick sinew of El Guerrouj?
I can't find it...
Post achilles surgery Geb won global champ medals against some of the greatest distance runners of all time and broke at least 3 World Records at different distances. That is hardly not coming back from multiple achilles injuries which required surgery. There are other examples such as Carlos Lopes or Charlie Spedding who went on to set lifetime PRs or World Records, and win medals at Global Championships all post achilles surgeries. Each case is different of course but there are examples that show that achilles surgery is not always a career ender for some runners at the highest level.
Not even achilles surgery...less invasive. Decent chance he can run some impressive times in 2026 season
Post achilles surgery Geb won global champ medals against some of the greatest distance runners of all time and broke at least 3 World Records at different distances. That is hardly not coming back from multiple achilles injuries which required surgery. There are other examples such as Carlos Lopes or Charlie Spedding who went on to set lifetime PRs or World Records, and win medals at Global Championships all post achilles surgeries. Each case is different of course but there are examples that show that achilles surgery is not always a career ender for some runners at the highest level.
Not even achilles surgery...less invasive. Decent chance he can run some impressive times in 2026 season
That depends entirely on whether his damaged Achilles can cope with what he asks of it.
Those of you who have followed over the past couple of years will know I’ve been struggling with my achilles. A persistent and very specific injury that forced me to miss a lot of training and racing. Around 2 weeks ago, the achilles flared up again and we finally took the decision to travel to America for surgery. This is of course not something to be taken lightly but absolutely the right thing for the longevity of my career. The surgery went very smoothly and I’m relieved to have a clear path of recovery back to the start line after many months of uncertainty.
When he says America does he mean the United States? Social media keeps telling me that the United States isn't America, or something like that.