Is there some place where we can learn the details of how Timpview is developing these athletes? If you do a little poking around, they seem to have a great youth program in the area (Roadrunner running club). I imagine that they have a highly optimized system, almost professional. I have a ton of questions!
It's not "these athletes" that are being developed. It's one girl, Jane Hedengren.
Yes, they have a youth running program but so do lots of other towns. Jane just happens to be mega talented. You could send a thousand other girls to Timpview and not one of them would turn into Jane Hedengren.
That youth program has younger siblings of at least three elite BYU girls runners, including from what I’ve read at least one younger Hedengren who might be as good as Jane.
Lots of talent plus ideal coaching and opportunity in the same place. Also lots of former D1 and even pro runner parents of those kids in that youth program. The know how and raw talent is very concentrated.
You'd be surprised. The club focuses on kids having fun running and developing good habits. The coaches and culture don't ooze competitive juices, but rather love, fun, and enjoying the journey. It's a popular club for very average kids who just want to run with friends and have a good time. Sure there's structure, plans, and thought put into workouts and what not, but the secret is a low stress have fun atmosphere for kids to learn and grow. That's my parent perspective.
Jane isn't the only record setting runner. Angie Alder, a 6th grader is doing the same. The club regularly podiums runners at national events.
I used to report your posts with baseless accusations. But I don't anymore. It's enough to know that your envy and frustration are corroding you from the inside. Later.
I'll say this; it was one thing when Astro slinging crap at Valby. The results she put up with much of her work coming in the form of cross training is somewhat unprecedented at the levels she was able to reach. I was never suspicious, but I can see it.
This here is just ridiculous. He's basically coming out and saying KT can be the only clean runner in the history of the sport.
Is there some place where we can learn the details of how Timpview is developing these athletes? If you do a little poking around, they seem to have a great youth program in the area (Roadrunner running club). I imagine that they have a highly optimized system, almost professional. I have a ton of questions!
Follow her father’s YouTube page. He details a lot of the extra training outside of just miles she regularly does. He coaches a local running club also. I know for certain the Timpview coach regularly collaborates with Diljeet Taylor coach at BYU. BYU is literally a 5min drive from Timpview High School.
There's a lot of group think that establishes what is achievable in these longer events. For the USA women it's been the normalization of mediocrity - 15 flat is the goal hence it is rarely achieved in competition. Now the USATF's will never again be won by a time over 15, more likely 14:40 or better to win.
Is there some place where we can learn the details of how Timpview is developing these athletes? If you do a little poking around, they seem to have a great youth program in the area (Roadrunner running club). I imagine that they have a highly optimized system, almost professional. I have a ton of questions!
It's not "these athletes" that are being developed. It's one girl, Jane Hedengren.
Yes, they have a youth running program but so do lots of other towns. Jane just happens to be mega talented. You could send a thousand other girls to Timpview and not one of them would turn into Jane Hedengren.
JH isn’t the only exceptional Timpview distance runner. Lily Alder is also in the top tier of US HS girls distance runners. Here Alder and Hedengren run legs 3 and 4 of the 4x800M relay for Timpview last year at BYU Invitational. Alder splits 2:08 for 800m Hedengren splits 2:06 at 4600ft elevation and after running a 1600m final in 4:37 earlier that morning. Alder is a very legit top tier girls distance runner also from Timpview.
There has been notable BYU athletes in past decades quit programs and coaches where there were suspicion of doping. It's not in the culture to dope. Not saying it couldn't happen, but it's not the way. The process of winning is arguably more important than the winning itself, especially the program they represent.
Again, not saying it couldn't happen, but to suggest a systemic doping scandal is absurd and baseless.
These athletes train here to avoid that kind of pressure they might encounter elsewhere. BYU as an institution has shown no tolerance for cheating or honor code violations in the past. Just 10 years ago they forced a basketball player to sit out the NCAA tournament for a violation that at any other school wouldn't have mattered.
Celebrate their achievements instead of tearing them down and casting shade where the sun is shining.
Is there some place where we can learn the details of how Timpview is developing these athletes? If you do a little poking around, they seem to have a great youth program in the area (Roadrunner running club). I imagine that they have a highly optimized system, almost professional. I have a ton of questions!
It's not "these athletes" that are being developed. It's one girl, Jane Hedengren.
Yes, they have a youth running program but so do lots of other towns. Jane just happens to be mega talented. You could send a thousand other girls to Timpview and not one of them would turn into Jane Hedengren.
Ok I guess I have to spell it out for the dummy.
Go to Athletic.net, find your way to Timpview's page, then click on "records", then click on "all". Then scroll down to the girls 1600m. You will find that 8 of the top 10 times at Timpview have been since 2019. In addition to Hedengren, Lily Alder is under 4:40 for 1600, Daphne Batmale at 5:00, Ellie Esplin 5:08 last year, Gwen Boulton 5:13 last year. Also in the area is Angelina Alder, a 6th grader who ran 4:57 at Nike Indoor Nationals. There are probably more but I think that's enough to highlight that it's not just Jane Hedengren.
Take the time to go on Facebook and look up the roadrunner club. The stuff they post will blow your mind. This is not just another local youth club. Timpview/Roadrunner are light years ahead of what's going on around here.
I'm not interested in finding out how to create another Jane Hedengren, as duh she's uniquely talented. I'm interested in how to optimize my daughter's training to come out with the best outcome. My daughter has been running for a year and is at 5:15. It's pretty likely she'll break 5 before graduating in a few years if we don't change anything. I want to find out how to get that under 4:50. There are so many different things we could change and optimize. I want to ask questions of someone who really knows what they are doing, so I know how to progress beyond what we've already done.
I think Ryun and Budd are the two most eye-opening U20 athletes ever. What they did in their conditions (Ryun on crappy tracks with crap footwear, Budd barefoot) still holds up. If you want to include Bekele in XC, that works too (I'm not buying Eliud's age for the 2003 World Champs).
I would include Gerry Lindgren. He tied the 6 mile world record when he was only 19 years old.
I'm not sure Lindgren's times really fit the definition of "still holds up." Amazing athlete, amazing for his time, but 60 years later, if a 19yo American went out and ran 1:44 and 3:51, it would still be a huge deal, and they would still be looked at as the best young prospect in American middle distance running (in fact, one of our best prospects right now was considered a teenage phenom with only 1:46/3:34 PBs at 19).
Is there some place where we can learn the details of how Timpview is developing these athletes? If you do a little poking around, they seem to have a great youth program in the area (Roadrunner running club). I imagine that they have a highly optimized system, almost professional. I have a ton of questions!
Follow her father’s YouTube page. He details a lot of the extra training outside of just miles she regularly does. He coaches a local running club also. I know for certain the Timpview coach regularly collaborates with Diljeet Taylor coach at BYU. BYU is literally a 5min drive from Timpview High School.
Thank you, this is the kind of response I was looking for.
My daughter is going to BYUs camp this summer. So hopefully can learn some things there. I'm mostly interested in finding out how to progress her training from where it is. I've been involved in the sport 40 years, ran D1 in the Pac 10, so I'm not a total noob. But obviously these people know what they're doing on a whole new level. Heading into the summer the questions I'm trying to figure out are whether I should increase my daughter's mileage (or if not more running, elliptical) or whether she should add some weight training, or both? I'm trying to avoid my daughter plateauing out like so many other people do once they've made their first big jump in fitness.
You'd be surprised. The club focuses on kids having fun running and developing good habits. The coaches and culture don't ooze competitive juices, but rather love, fun, and enjoying the journey. It's a popular club for very average kids who just want to run with friends and have a good time. Sure there's structure, plans, and thought put into workouts and what not, but the secret is a low stress have fun atmosphere for kids to learn and grow. That's my parent perspective.
Jane isn't the only record setting runner. Angie Alder, a 6th grader is doing the same. The club regularly podiums runners at national events.
Actually, that's not surprising at all. The best program for any child would be fun before anything else. Nobody wants to do something that isn't fun, especially running. A low pressure situation is perfect.
Outside of that, though, the club seems to have put some high level brains into making sure their kids are doing things that work. Keeping the club fun just means that kids will stay with it longer, and if what they are doing works and you have lots of kids involved, the talented kids are going to get amazing results. Really a perfect formula to develop kids into the best runners they can be, while keeping it all fun.
Mary Shea ran the Maggie Valley (NC) road race the same year. Very steep course in the mountains. 5 miles, not 8k. 26:12. Olympians like Lynn Jennings have run here and not beaten the time. National under 20 road record.
OK Astro . . . it’s apparent you’re kinda dumb, uninformed, and self absorbed so let me help/educate you. You assert Jane Hedengren and BYU athletes are secretly benefiting from a secret . . . undisclosed. . . .”boost your EPO” scheme! 😱 Yeah in fact they are . . . but it’s completely legit, natural, and a consequence of living/training at 4600ft. To wit . . . you dimwit . . . 👇
”Studies have shown improved aerobic power in runners who trained at 6,000 feet for 10 days then performed at low altitude. Lower oxygen levels at altitude stimulate EPO leading to increased red blood cells or hematocrit. This effectively allows more oxygen to be carried to the tissues. Essentially, this is blood doping the natural way.”
You, and many, would be well served by reading the book Endure by Alex Hutchinson. Specifically the chapter on how a record breaker changes the psychological calculus for all those who follow.