All you have to do point to the comment where you claimed COVID being an Israeli project and then how that made me take Covid seriously.
Be great if one of you guys could actually back up these comments just once.
care to retract this claim below and acknowledge the tons of work and evidence on COVID and CV risk well prior to vaccines?
“Funny how Covid was a virus that attacked your lungs and breathing and maybe your taste. The jab comes put and starts causing heart issues and then, and not until then,do studies come out "showing" Covid is worse for your heart than the jab”
Funny how Covid was a virus that attacked your lungs and breathing and maybe your taste.
The jab comes put and starts causing heart issues and then, and not until then,do studies come out "showing" Covid is worse for your heart than the jab.
Of course the jab does not stop the transmission of Covid....your assertion depends on the erroneous assumption that it does
Sure just ignore the 100k+ studies on COVID-19 and cardiovascular risk from 2020 (pre-vaccine) alone... you are a liar or extremely stupid.
Coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) is a global pandemic affecting 185 countries and >3 000 000 patients worldwide as of April 28, 2020. COVID-19 is caused by severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2, which invades cells through the angiotensin-converting enzyme 2 receptor. Among patients with COVID-19, there is a high prevalence of cardiovascular disease, and >7% of patients experience myocardial injury from the infection (22% of critically ill patients).
I love that Newname bumped the thread and then got absolutely taken to task.
All while 2020420 avoids this thread as if it is a COVID vaccine because of the idiocy he said on here.
Coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) is a global pandemic affecting 185 countries and >3 000 000 patients worldwide as of April 28, 2020. COVID-19 is caused by severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2, which invades cells through the angiotensin-converting enzyme 2 receptor. Among patients with COVID-19, there is a high prevalence of cardiovascular disease, and >7% of patients experience myocardial injury from the infection (22% of critically ill patients).
I love that Newname bumped the thread and then got absolutely taken to task.
All while 2020420 avoids this thread as if it is a COVID vaccine because of the idiocy he said on here.
Total victory. Watch me as I parade Newname's (metaphorical) head on a (metaphorical) pike.
Interestingly how deaths attributed to COVID peaked right before the vaccine was widely available and then the health authorities stoped labeling any type of death as "from COVID" after which the COVID death statistics fell. Beautiful evidence that manipulating reporting and statistics can show any type of results the manipulators want.
Interestingly how deaths attributed to COVID peaked right before the vaccine was widely available and then the health authorities stoped labeling any type of death as "from COVID" after which the COVID death statistics fell. Beautiful evidence that manipulating reporting and statistics can show any type of results the manipulators want.
There, fixed that for you.
They also faked covid cases, hospitalization, and excess deaths too?
I am tired of people on "both sides". I will try to be as objective as I possibly can. Here are facts:
1 Herpevirus are killing more people in the western countries than HIV. What we see is that for every time one get exposed to a virus it increases the change of getting dementia later in life. Why some people don't think the same is true for covid-19 which we know attacks organs is a mystery to me
2 We won't see the long term consequences of covid-19 before most of us are dead. Children who get covid now can die because of it when they are 70+
3 Vaccines protect against severe illness.
4 Vaccinated people can still get infected.
5 The vaccine can make people sick, but the same people would also get sick from covid.
6 There is little reason to get vaccinated if one had covid not to long ago.
7 The 20-25% of the population with apoe4 are twice as likely to get hospitalized as the regular person. Other genetic variants also affect how dangerous it is. An alternative to mass vaccination is to do genetic screening of everyone and have it stored with the pros and cons that have
8 People who did not take the vaccine in the beginning reduced other people's freedom. With less people severely ill society could have opened up much sooner
I am tired of people on "both sides". I will try to be as objective as I possibly can. Here are facts:
1 Herpevirus are killing more people in the western countries than HIV. What we see is that for every time one get exposed to a virus it increases the change of getting dementia later in life. Why some people don't think the same is true for covid-19 which we know attacks organs is a mystery to me
2 We won't see the long term consequences of covid-19 before most of us are dead. Children who get covid now can die because of it when they are 70+
3 Vaccines protect against severe illness.
4 Vaccinated people can still get infected.
5 The vaccine can make people sick, but the same people would also get sick from covid.
6 There is little reason to get vaccinated if one had covid not to long ago.
7 The 20-25% of the population with apoe4 are twice as likely to get hospitalized as the regular person. Other genetic variants also affect how dangerous it is. An alternative to mass vaccination is to do genetic screening of everyone and have it stored with the pros and cons that have
8 People who did not take the vaccine in the beginning reduced other people's freedom. With less people severely ill society could have opened up much sooner
Even if I agree with most of your bullets, and I do, your #6 is correct and undermines your #8 narrative, unless people willingly were defying all the rules and going out while sick. Many of us, like myself, adhered to all the guidelines including masking, distancing, testing, and quarantining for a very long time while sick. That we happened to acquire Covid along the way, with or without access to vaccines, meant we acquired immunity. The medical community has long had to recognize this simple fact in the years since. Moreover, vaccines do not prevent transmission. I got Covid from a super spreading friend, who though didn’t feel well, attributed it to recent flu/shingles vaccines. Being a good and loud liberal, tyrannical, communist, useful idiot theocrat like 2600bro/Harambe, she thought the Covid vaccine made her immune from COVID because that’s what her overlords told her.
Moreover, when I finally went to my doctor, neither a fierce vax proponent nor denier, I asked him whether or not I should get vaccinated, along with my family, and he said he wouldn’t, given our relative age, fitness, and other risk assessments. He presupposed natural immunity was broader and more durable and a better contribution to herd immunity and humanity, frankly. I was still considering getting the Novavax shot as I never though the mRNA/LNP vax was a good idea, but the consistent hubris and narcissism displayed by “scientists” like 2600bro talked me out of it. F these guys. They did more to undermine public health than any armchair quarterback. And some of them are now admitting that closing schools was a terrible idea in *retrospect*, nevermind that some of us were losing our minds in the actual moment but we had no advocacy going against a liberal top down apparatus or teachers unions. I have at least one kid who is classic collateral damage. These guys have done more harm to society than I ever thought possible.
Finally, why is it that only the multiple vaxxed people are still getting Covid? None of my unvaccinated family or friends have had it since the first iteration of Omicron. Is it an IgG4 immune tolerance phenomenon, increased with every vax, immune imprinting, which we know exists, or some type of generalized immune dysfunction? Too late now, we will be living with the consequences for the rest of our lives. SNL just had a multi-vaxxed superspreader event. I wonder if any of them are finally questioning the dogma?
I am tired of people on "both sides". I will try to be as objective as I possibly can. Here are facts:
1 Herpevirus are killing more people in the western countries than HIV. What we see is that for every time one get exposed to a virus it increases the change of getting dementia later in life. Why some people don't think the same is true for covid-19 which we know attacks organs is a mystery to me
2 We won't see the long term consequences of covid-19 before most of us are dead. Children who get covid now can die because of it when they are 70+
3 Vaccines protect against severe illness.
4 Vaccinated people can still get infected.
5 The vaccine can make people sick, but the same people would also get sick from covid.
6 There is little reason to get vaccinated if one had covid not to long ago.
7 The 20-25% of the population with apoe4 are twice as likely to get hospitalized as the regular person. Other genetic variants also affect how dangerous it is. An alternative to mass vaccination is to do genetic screening of everyone and have it stored with the pros and cons that have
8 People who did not take the vaccine in the beginning reduced other people's freedom. With less people severely ill society could have opened up much sooner
Even if I agree with most of your bullets, and I do, your #6 is correct and undermines your #8 narrative, unless people willingly were defying all the rules and going out while sick. Many of us, like myself, adhered to all the guidelines including masking, distancing, testing, and quarantining for a very long time while sick. That we happened to acquire Covid along the way, with or without access to vaccines, meant we acquired immunity. The medical community has long had to recognize this simple fact in the years since. Moreover, vaccines do not prevent transmission. I got Covid from a super spreading friend, who though didn’t feel well, attributed it to recent flu/shingles vaccines. Being a good and loud liberal, tyrannical, communist, useful idiot theocrat like 2600bro/Harambe, she thought the Covid vaccine made her immune from COVID because that’s what her overlords told her.
Moreover, when I finally went to my doctor, neither a fierce vax proponent nor denier, I asked him whether or not I should get vaccinated, along with my family, and he said he wouldn’t, given our relative age, fitness, and other risk assessments. He presupposed natural immunity was broader and more durable and a better contribution to herd immunity and humanity, frankly. I was still considering getting the Novavax shot as I never though the mRNA/LNP vax was a good idea, but the consistent hubris and narcissism displayed by “scientists” like 2600bro talked me out of it. F these guys. They did more to undermine public health than any armchair quarterback. And some of them are now admitting that closing schools was a terrible idea in *retrospect*, nevermind that some of us were losing our minds in the actual moment but we had no advocacy going against a liberal top down apparatus or teachers unions. I have at least one kid who is classic collateral damage. These guys have done more harm to society than I ever thought possible.
Finally, why is it that only the multiple vaxxed people are still getting Covid? None of my unvaccinated family or friends have had it since the first iteration of Omicron. Is it an IgG4 immune tolerance phenomenon, increased with every vax, immune imprinting, which we know exists, or some type of generalized immune dysfunction? Too late now, we will be living with the consequences for the rest of our lives. SNL just had a multi-vaxxed superspreader event. I wonder if any of them are finally questioning the dogma?
DailyMail.com spoke with five Americans who claim they were injured by Covid vaccines following a bombshell report from Yale researchers on post-vaccine complications.
Even if I agree with most of your bullets, and I do, your #6 is correct and undermines your #8 narrative, unless people willingly were defying all the rules and going out while sick. Many of us, like myself, adhered to all the guidelines including masking, distancing, testing, and quarantining for a very long time while sick. That we happened to acquire Covid along the way, with or without access to vaccines, meant we acquired immunity. The medical community has long had to recognize this simple fact in the years since. Moreover, vaccines do not prevent transmission. I got Covid from a super spreading friend, who though didn’t feel well, attributed it to recent flu/shingles vaccines. Being a good and loud liberal, tyrannical, communist, useful idiot theocrat like 2600bro/Harambe, she thought the Covid vaccine made her immune from COVID because that’s what her overlords told her.
Moreover, when I finally went to my doctor, neither a fierce vax proponent nor denier, I asked him whether or not I should get vaccinated, along with my family, and he said he wouldn’t, given our relative age, fitness, and other risk assessments. He presupposed natural immunity was broader and more durable and a better contribution to herd immunity and humanity, frankly. I was still considering getting the Novavax shot as I never though the mRNA/LNP vax was a good idea, but the consistent hubris and narcissism displayed by “scientists” like 2600bro talked me out of it. F these guys. They did more to undermine public health than any armchair quarterback. And some of them are now admitting that closing schools was a terrible idea in *retrospect*, nevermind that some of us were losing our minds in the actual moment but we had no advocacy going against a liberal top down apparatus or teachers unions. I have at least one kid who is classic collateral damage. These guys have done more harm to society than I ever thought possible.
Finally, why is it that only the multiple vaxxed people are still getting Covid? None of my unvaccinated family or friends have had it since the first iteration of Omicron. Is it an IgG4 immune tolerance phenomenon, increased with every vax, immune imprinting, which we know exists, or some type of generalized immune dysfunction? Too late now, we will be living with the consequences for the rest of our lives. SNL just had a multi-vaxxed superspreader event. I wonder if any of them are finally questioning the dogma?
So you didn’t get a vaccine that works because some dudes on message boards made you mad?
You sure showed us.
Nope, I didn’t get the “primary” series because I already had natural immunity, which is better, and I didn’t trust the LNP-mRNA vax. I would’ve gotten Novavax, you know, the one the former head of the CDC during Covid recommended after he had an epiphany that the mRNA vaccines came with an inordinate amount of risk, but the same communist tyrant autocrats on here who were just fine with shutting down small businesses and schools and inflationary overstimulus in the wake of Covid we’re not to be trusted. The ones who yelled the loudest with the most amount of hubris, just like our media.
So you didn’t get a vaccine that works because some dudes on message boards made you mad?
You sure showed us.
Nope, I didn’t get the “primary” series because I already had natural immunity, which is better, and I didn’t trust the LNP-mRNA vax. I would’ve gotten Novavax, you know, the one the former head of the CDC during Covid recommended after he had an epiphany that the mRNA vaccines came with an inordinate amount of risk, but the same communist tyrant autocrats on here who were just fine with shutting down small businesses and schools and inflationary overstimulus in the wake of Covid we’re not to be trusted. The ones who yelled the loudest with the most amount of hubris, just like our media.
What’s the evidence for “inordinate” risk? Can you share the data you’re using and what your threshold for “inordinate” risk is?
Nope, I didn’t get the “primary” series because I already had natural immunity, which is better, and I didn’t trust the LNP-mRNA vax. I would’ve gotten Novavax, you know, the one the former head of the CDC during Covid recommended after he had an epiphany that the mRNA vaccines came with an inordinate amount of risk, but the same communist tyrant autocrats on here who were just fine with shutting down small businesses and schools and inflationary overstimulus in the wake of Covid we’re not to be trusted. The ones who yelled the loudest with the most amount of hubris, just like our media.
What’s the evidence for “inordinate” risk? Can you share the data you’re using and what your threshold for “inordinate” risk is?
I’m trusting an infectious disease doc and clinician who was pedigreed and experienced enough to be the head of the CDC during a pandemic. I cannot believe you are still at this. But whatever floats your boat. I’m sure Steve Martin and Martin Short are still listening to you.
By the way, is anybody actually looking for data outside the initial dogmatic premise? Nobody I know who refused to be vaccinated and acquired robust natural immunity was ever recruited for a study. Can’t find what you’re not looking for.
I am tired of people on "both sides". I will try to be as objective as I possibly can. Here are facts:
1 Herpevirus are killing more people in the western countries than HIV. What we see is that for every time one get exposed to a virus it increases the change of getting dementia later in life. Why some people don't think the same is true for covid-19 which we know attacks organs is a mystery to me
2 We won't see the long term consequences of covid-19 before most of us are dead. Children who get covid now can die because of it when they are 70+
3 Vaccines protect against severe illness.
4 Vaccinated people can still get infected.
5 The vaccine can make people sick, but the same people would also get sick from covid.
6 There is little reason to get vaccinated if one had covid not to long ago.
7 The 20-25% of the population with apoe4 are twice as likely to get hospitalized as the regular person. Other genetic variants also affect how dangerous it is. An alternative to mass vaccination is to do genetic screening of everyone and have it stored with the pros and cons that have
8 People who did not take the vaccine in the beginning reduced other people's freedom. With less people severely ill society could have opened up much sooner
one of the things i researched when covid was getting rolling was the length of time for immunity for a coronavirus. it's approximately 8 months. this is why you can get colds every year. this is why folks could get covid 3 times.
this is also why the natural immunity concept is idiotic, unless we all get it or vaxed same time. the immunity from getting it doesn't last, doesn't prove you have a strong immune system. and we won't have herd unless everyone is pretty much immune at the same time, same 8 months.
a lot of the problem with opposition to public health concepts is that our self centered country obsesses about "me."
example 1, you refuse to vax and handle it fine, but you visited granddad, and he dies from it.
example 2, kids aren't likely to die from it unless they have immune issues. but schools are known mass spreaders of disease. it bounces between the kids. the kids give it to teachers, staff, who can die from it. they take it home to parents and relatives, who can die from it. the analysis is narrowly focused on is johnny or joanie going to die of it. no. but it would have sped spread around communities.
last, the risk analysis by the hucksters is wrong. tons of people died before any vaccine. 1 million plus died in this country alone. compare that to vax deaths. hmmmm do i want to take the risk of disease death or of pretend vax death. this is so easy a child should get it right.
the reason you folks try to make disease deaths into vax deaths is otherwise your numbers really really suck. so you have to lie. and you're lying because you're speculating and making analytical leaps. it's not connected by science.
it's indicative of how obnoxiously overpoliticized this country is that it's gone this direction.
