Doping is actually super smart financially for an elite east African runner if you strip away the ethics. As an athlete the rewards are huge. The downside is shame and public loathing. Upside glory, money. In East Africa if you win a major marathon you’re probably set for life, multiple wins or podiums now you’re luxuriously comfortable. With exchange rate call it equivalent of million or multi million dollar win by American. Upside is huge if you have the potential to win by doping. Contrast that with American runners. We all saw Lance. Prize money is weak, u could make more money in so many occupations. So calculus for American is huge public shaming and not that much money.
This is such an obvious dirty (and for many demoralizing) result, but this quote sums up the reality for so many of the African elites who do this.
Ha, but not so for Americans, Europeans, and other white people?
That is an excellent post and very well researched. But there is another aspect to this that your stats do not cover. That her performance exceeded anything she has ever done before by such a wide margin. THAT is also extremely suspicious. Not only was this time way faster than her previous marathon times but none of her shorter races indicated any ability to run sub 2:10
I agree that her performance exceeds anything by a fairly wide margin but you also have to consider in that that her half marathon PB is quicker via splits than her 5k and 10k track PBs so it seems like she's had two unreal races and a raft of top level, but not quite this level, marathons
True. I will not say that she was using Peds. I do not know. Just that it is suspicious.
This is such an obvious dirty (and for many demoralizing) result, but this quote sums up the reality for so many of the African elites who do this.
Ha, but not so for Americans, Europeans, and other white people?
White people like Lance Armstrong would rather keep their ethics in tack than become millionaires, famous, date famous woman, have dinner at the white house, etc.
She ran the #5 AT half marathon (ranking only behind other obvious dopers and herself) and kept going. It’d be like a guy running sub 58 and then finishing in 1:58. While she’d certainly be an amazing runner without drugs, this is horrible for the sport and is an absolute joke.
With no due respect, if you sincerely believe this performance is clean you must be a child or you’ve lost all your money to a Nigerian prince several times by now. It’s fvcking regarded.
True. I will not say that she was using Peds. I do not know. Just that it is suspicious.
So far we have 12 pages of people saying this. Compare that to when the white dude ran 7:17 and there was 30 pages of people calling it a glorious occurance.
True. I will not say that she was using Peds. I do not know. Just that it is suspicious.
So far we have 12 pages of people saying this. Compare that to when the white dude ran 7:17 and there was 30 pages of people calling it a glorious occurance.
No, piss off. Ingebrigtsen is a pretty obvious doper too and many here would agree. This isn’t a race thing. Socioeconomic factors may influence it at times, but this sport is dirty six ways to Sunday. If you throw stones and ad hominem attacks at people calling today out you’re part of the problem.
True. I will not say that she was using Peds. I do not know. Just that it is suspicious.
So far we have 12 pages of people saying this. Compare that to when the white dude ran 7:17 and there was 30 pages of people calling it a glorious occurance.
As much as I dislike Ingy, 7:17 is still believable. A 2:09:56 marathon is equivalent to a 7:46 3k. Imagine a woman drops that and beat the turtle-soup-aided WR by 20 secs. It's suspicious however you spin it. I know some people may say Ruth was paced the whole way. I would give you 1s/lap for that, she still ran a 7:53 equivalent. It's fairy tale's time.
I don't know what she's on but combined with faster shoes this time is just too much to take.
I’m just here for the incessant white whine.
So cheating is cool then? Paula Radcliffe’s now quaint record was probably doped too. That now looks like one syringe in a sea of millions. Stop distracting from the point.
So far we have 12 pages of people saying this. Compare that to when the white dude ran 7:17 and there was 30 pages of people calling it a glorious occurance.
As much as I dislike Ingy, 7:17 is still believable. A 2:09:56 marathon is equivalent to a 7:46 3k. Imagine a woman drops that and beat the turtle-soup-aided WR by 20 secs. It's suspicious however you spin it. I know some people may say Ruth was paced the whole way. I would give you 1s/lap for that, she still ran a 7:53 equivalent. It's fairy tale's time.
7:17 is believable if you think he’s 7 seconds better than Bekele and 3 better than Komen…LOL
As much as I dislike Ingy, 7:17 is still believable. A 2:09:56 marathon is equivalent to a 7:46 3k. Imagine a woman drops that and beat the turtle-soup-aided WR by 20 secs. It's suspicious however you spin it. I know some people may say Ruth was paced the whole way. I would give you 1s/lap for that, she still ran a 7:53 equivalent. It's fairy tale's time.
7:17 is believable if you think he’s 7 seconds better than Bekele and 3 better than Komen…LOL
Bekele and Komen didn't have super shoes and wavelight though. And 3k is easier for a 1500m/3k guy like Jakob than a 5k/10k guy like Bekele
So far we have 12 pages of people saying this. Compare that to when the white dude ran 7:17 and there was 30 pages of people calling it a glorious occurance.
As much as I dislike Ingy, 7:17 is still believable. A 2:09:56 marathon is equivalent to a 7:46 3k. Imagine a woman drops that and beat the turtle-soup-aided WR by 20 secs. It's suspicious however you spin it. I know some people may say Ruth was paced the whole way. I would give you 1s/lap for that, she still ran a 7:53 equivalent. It's fairy tale's time.
Maybe you can't just blindly apply conversions that are constructed from (mostly? or all, at these time ranges?) male times to female times? In fact, Ruth's run today very clearly shows that you can't.
As much as I dislike Ingy, 7:17 is still believable. A 2:09:56 marathon is equivalent to a 7:46 3k. Imagine a woman drops that and beat the turtle-soup-aided WR by 20 secs. It's suspicious however you spin it. I know some people may say Ruth was paced the whole way. I would give you 1s/lap for that, she still ran a 7:53 equivalent. It's fairy tale's time.
Maybe you can't just blindly apply conversions that are constructed from (mostly? or all, at these time ranges?) male times to female times? In fact, Ruth's run today very clearly shows that you can't.
Related to this, does comparing the % difference between men's and women's WRs really make much sense? I know it should, because we are talking about percentage difference... but consider this:
a 345 1500m is ~9% off the 1500 WR, and a 2:11 marathon is ~9% off the marathon WR. I think we can all agree these aren't remotely similar performances (for men). The 211 marathon is much better.
Similarly, top high school boys would crush Faith K in a 1500m; but the top female marathoners could compete with (or even beat) top NCAA male runners in the marathon (and this is assuming the NCAA guys were given a year or whatever to train for it).
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The performance curve is off the charts bonkers here, which is a telltale sign of doping. She basically came out of nowhere at 22 years old (seriously, zero recorded results before then) and even then only ran a 71:xx half marathon. This is the most suspicious result ever. Like literally of all time. I truly believe women are incapable of running sub-2:10, and she just did.
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