Having to resort to a personal attack tells me everything.
An unassisted record is far more impressive than a purposefully assisted one and they should be distinguished.
So you suggest an asterisk to Gebrhiwet’s 12.36 because Kejelcha “paced” him far further than Jakob was by the pacers..? And an asterisk to Cole/Kerr/Nuguse’s 3.27’s? -Will be a lot of asterisks eventually, doesn’t it…?
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shut up. you are annoying af. what a sad life you must lead.
Having to resort to a personal attack tells me everything.
An unassisted record is far more impressive than a purposefully assisted one and they should be distinguished.
Sure, you can asterisk these type of records if you like, but then many, including the most famous record of all time, Bannisters sub 4, would be distinguished that way. Komen had 2 pacers through 1200m, JI had two through 1600, both had one pacer through ~1800m.
The thing is, it's still a race, and the entire field *also* had JI as a pacer (if they could hang) and he destroyed them and the WR - no one else went under despite having an extra pacer. There were a lot of NRs and PBs, the field was strong, unlike Komen's race.
Are we not entertained? I was!
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Rooks looked like he might have broken his collar bone the way he was holding his arm up across his chest finishing the race. Hope he is ok. Looked similar to cyclist after a fall when the put their arm down to break their fall and break their collar bone.
Agreed, we'll see what happens with Sedjati too...
I believe the DL final is still giving out Worlds wildcards? Would be huge for Kenya to get 4 in Tokyo next year so you've got to imagine Kinyamal, Cheminingwa, Ngeno, etc. will be really hoping Wanyonyi wins
Believe so. There was someone who suggested *next* years DL results would determine it but that would be curious with the uncertainty throughout the season and the national trials windows.
EDIT: There is also a possibility the field is 1/2 Kenyans in the DL final which would certainly boost their chances
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Having to resort to a personal attack tells me everything.
An unassisted record is far more impressive than a purposefully assisted one and they should be distinguished.
So you suggest an asterisk to Gebrhiwet’s 12.36 because Kejelcha “paced” him far further than Jakob was by the pacers..? And an asterisk to Cole/Kerr/Nuguse’s 3.27’s? -Will be a lot of asterisks eventually, doesn’t it…?
I'm actually impressed by the improvement in Hannah England's improvement in pronunciation.
Someone has clearly had a word - last year it was ridiculously bad
Still, credit where it's due for addressing an issue
She's a crap commentator with useless idiotic chatter and seems to be incapable of getting the basics right. For the lane assignments of the women 400H, she stated that athletes in lanes 9, 8 and 7 were in lane 7. I mean the darn screen and the numbers showed what athletes were in what lanes. And then she went on and on about Tamberi... I muted her to save my enjoyment of the event.
Americans really struggling in DL'S - maybe a little too much partying and not enough training post Paris success.
Honestly could just be a mental drop off too after goals for the season have been achieved. Don't blame any of them for it at all, just happens sometimes.
Or perhaps they are flying out the day before and jet lag is kicking their behind?
tf are you going on about? he got 2nd at the Olympics ffs
what is wrong with you people? does this board place more emphasis on the DL events that follow the Olympics than the actual Olympics themselves
has Rojo successfully turned the whole lot of you into npcs?
fml there is literally nowhere left to have a reasonable convo about running
I was being sarcastic. Rooks was not running in the NCAA this spring so your comment that he had to peak first for NCAAs is rubbish.
Rooks’s season was an incredible success and he got it right when it mattered most. Nobody is going to disagree with you there.
Rooks had the definition of a DREAM season. If he had said out loud this winter that he would be the Olympic silver medalist, almost everybody would have responded, “dude, you are dreaming…”
Anyway, mere mortal but amazing runners, like Hocker, Fisher and Rooks are probably experiencing a profound post Olympic fatigue, even if they won’t admit it. After having the high of highs most folks just can’t go back out and kill it. Jakob on the other hand has been super charged by his Olympic loss. He has a reasonable chance to break the 1500 record, and if he does, we can thank Hocker, Kerr and Nuguse.
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If you go watch Komen's 1996 race, Hutchings basically laughs at Komen like he is just a dumb Kenyan when he goes out fast. He only eats his words when Komen doesn't slow in the last 1000.
Embarrassing and ignorant call tbh. Surprised he now brags about being on air for it.
It was silly how during the race today he was still raving about how Komen went out in a mad 3:55 through 1600…like yeah, he ran 3:55.02 pace for the entire distance.
Dummy, at the time of that race it was unheard for anyone, before or since, to run a 3000m that way. Cram's commentary was right on the mark that day. His exuberance justifiable and adds to the historical significance of that epic WR.
Ingebrigtsen had an enclosed stadium with pacing lights. Komen did not. Think about it.
I was being sarcastic. Rooks was not running in the NCAA this spring so your comment that he had to peak first for NCAAs is rubbish.
Rooks’s season was an incredible success and he got it right when it mattered most. Nobody is going to disagree with you there.
Rooks had the definition of a DREAM season. If he had said out loud this winter that he would be the Olympic silver medalist, almost everybody would have responded, “dude, you are dreaming…”
Anyway, mere mortal but amazing runners, like Hocker, Fisher and Rooks are probably experiencing a profound post Olympic fatigue, even if they won’t admit it. After having the high of highs most folks just can’t go back out and kill it. Jakob on the other hand has been super charged by his Olympic loss. He has a reasonable chance to break the 1500 record, and if he does, we can thank Hocker, Kerr and Nuguse.
Rooks was taken to the hospital to have his shoulder checked out after the race.
So you suggest an asterisk to Gebrhiwet’s 12.36 because Kejelcha “paced” him far further than Jakob was by the pacers..? And an asterisk to Cole/Kerr/Nuguse’s 3.27’s? -Will be a lot of asterisks eventually, doesn’t it…?
Need an asterisk for those trampoline tracks too.
Find yourself a different sports to watch and let the rest enjoy track.
I was being sarcastic. Rooks was not running in the NCAA this spring so your comment that he had to peak first for NCAAs is rubbish.
Rooks’s season was an incredible success and he got it right when it mattered most. Nobody is going to disagree with you there.
Rooks had the definition of a DREAM season. If he had said out loud this winter that he would be the Olympic silver medalist, almost everybody would have responded, “dude, you are dreaming…”
Anyway, mere mortal but amazing runners, like Hocker, Fisher and Rooks are probably experiencing a profound post Olympic fatigue, even if they won’t admit it. After having the high of highs most folks just can’t go back out and kill it. Jakob on the other hand has been super charged by his Olympic loss. He has a reasonable chance to break the 1500 record, and if he does, we can thank Hocker, Kerr and Nuguse.
You're right about the "Post Olympic Fatigue" but it's more than that. Americans living out of a suitcase while racing late in the Summer get a Bob Segar ennui --the Sun starts setting faster and faster, on its way to a long European Winter. American football games on the radio.The longing for home starts to weigh on you every day. Mentally youre done. Strange how the night moves, with Autumn closing in...
WRs set with a pacer/lights should have an asterisk.
Several disciplines don't have that luxury and it is the not the same caliber of achievement or fair to compare them.
100% agree. Thank you
I agree that a WR without pacers/lights is more impressive.
Will this ever happen again? If we look at all male/female outdoor WRs for 800m, 1500, 3k*, 5k, 10k correct me if i'm wrong but it seems all of them had pacers, and later lights except:
- 800m (Rudisha & Kratotchvilova, she almost certainly used PEDs)
- Women's 3000m (Wang Junxia, though in her letter from 1995 she claimed she and her teammates were forced to take "large doses of illegal drugs over the years")
El Guerrouj's 1500 WR did not have lights, but had 2 pacers, with the last one dropping out with about 375m to go. Also, haven't checked, but wouldn't surprise me if the 1hr WR had pace lights, maybe pacers too.
Do pacers/lights wreak running? Ah, to each his own, and it's still a race. At least it seems most all mid/distance WRs these days are on a fairly level playing field in that regard, PEDs/shoes notwithstanding. Maybe i'll tune in to Michael Johnson's race league for pure racing.
*Side Note - i don't consider 3000m a non standard fringe event. True, it's not a WC/Olympic event, but that's partly because there's already a 3000mSC. Consider that in 2024, the IAAF lists twice as many 3000m male finishers (over 6000) with a performance cutoff of around 750 points compared to 10000m. The 10k is just not that common, and it takes too long for good TV. Maybe only NCAA runners focus training on the 3k, but because so few focus on it, it's got some added tension by pitching the 1500m speedsters moving up, against the 5000m grinders moving down. Yeah, the two mile is a bit of a circus freak show act, rarely run, the mile is going that way too.
