72-yr-old Masters World and National Champ Busted - Dude was an all sorts of PEDs!!!

This is slightly off topic, but not really much. Peptide Hormones and Their Releasing Factors is one of the items on the banned list. This includes GnRh agonists such as Eligard, which are used in the treatment of prostate cancer. They are banned because they cause an initial spike in testosterone, but then greatly reduce it. So could an old man with cancer be busted for using a PED when in reality he is at a disadvantage with really low testosterone? It's not likely to be busted for it, but what about someone trying to be his best without cheating, but knowing he is using what is on the PED list?

Any fellow old runner who would have so little dignity that they would cheat for a best old geezer trophy should be left alone.

The laughter from his/her fellow old runners should be humiliating enough.

I'm pretty sure he could a Theraputic Use Exemption (TUE) for that.

I'm pretty sure he could get a Theraputic Use Exemption (TUE) for that.

That would work most likely work, although probably not needed by most, since almost no chance of being tested. Although the great Ed Whitlock was still running well before dying of prostate cancer. I don't know what his treatment was. Of course another option for an old guy with prostate cancer is just getting the family jewels cut off.

Did Ed delay or decline treatment or something? I remember reading something where the prostrate cancer metastasized to his bones where the beginning of the end started.

A glaring DNS on this morning's heats...

Do tell….

Yes they were/are. I know some boomer a-hole who wanted to do it, but never got around to it. Instead, he opted for the $100k hep-c vaccine shot.

Because, you know...of course he had hep-c.

What I know is that there is no free lunch. There have to be some offsetting negative effects of T, GW, IGF, roids, etc. It's up to each person to decide what is best for themselves, those around them, and their commitment to broader society--but they shouldn't then be ashamed and pretend they're not on it, as in not disclosing and competing.

Women's 50-64 race, 60-64 age group...

Oh my! The only name I recognize.

Yes JH didn’t show. On the mens side one ran a lap and a half before the DNF to avoid the testing.

Interesting that two of the major masters names were DNS and DNF so soon after the recent and very publicly discussed bust of Qualls (who is in my age group).

If anyone doubts their cleanliness then that should answer the question. All of a sudden they can’t show or finish? How many DNS or DNF do they have on their previous resume?

I coach the winner of the W60-64 5,000. She has been legit for years in masters cross country and track competition. Some years not racing at all. Seriously talented runner where my role is small in relation to the talent. As a youngster DII track 10,000 champion at Cal Davis, winner CIM and Honolulu. Inducted to the Pacific Association Hall of Fame a few years back. Best of all, a really nice person, teacher, mother, all around great human being. So fresh, and non-obsessed, I had to instruct her on the advantages of super shoes a few months back. She chose to race in Hoka spikes in loyalty to Aggie club sponsor. I doubt she is much aware of this site, and certainly not one to spend a lot of time posting.

No one is talking about the winner of that age group. We are talking about the DNS of that age group and how dirty she is.

I understand, just providing color on someone who does it right.

Yep. Simply put, it's not natural for someone to run a 3:30 marathon in their 40s and a 2:45 marathon at 59. It's even more bizarre that, from the announcers at the race, she apparently checked in because she had a hip number but then didn't show for the race.

The DNF was also bizarre. There's a video of it on Runnerspace that I went back and watched. He gets out to a 50 meter lead at 400 meters then drops out at 600m with no discernible change in form and no apparent injury.

It's pretty embarrassing that the California International Marathon, through their running club the Sacramento Running Association, is allowing itself to be affiliated with this nonsense, as both of these runners run for the "SRA Elite" team.

Nur won the Pacific Association Championship 5000 a couple weeks ago. And as a competitor in the race, USATF would have a right to test him even if he finished last. I hope they did. Actually at this point and after that, I hope they're testing everyone.

My favorite part of running these races (especially the cross country) is running as part of a team. My team is always beaten by SRA Elite, even though we have some really good runners. Really makes it not as fun if you realize that the other team is probably cheating and getting away with it. Also, it kind of insults those of us who are clean and run realistic times for our age to have doped up people running times we haven't been able to touch since our 20s. It makes us seem slower and less fit than we actually are and diminishes all of the work it takes to run sub 7 minute pace in your 60s.

It's been discussed elsewhere but Tommy Hughes at 64 has broken Ed Whitlock's 10 mile record by nearly 2 minutes. End of thread.