In which case it would be Keely, Reekie, the amazing talent that is Gill and one of Boffey/Bell/Wallace?
For the European Championships in Rome they can indeed send four.
But in order to be considered for selection athletes had to "express their interest" in going no later than May 3rd. And at that time it may well not have occurred to Phoebe and her coach that this was even a possibility.
Since when has that ever been an issue? You guys act like getting epo or steroids is some top secret, cloak and dagger affair.
Would be quite a tough job for a child from St Albans, we're not talking about a '17 year old' Kenyan here.
Middle-class girl from the South-East breaks a whole load of British records aged 15/16 - why would anyone think doping was a good idea next?
Just think rationally for one second of your life.
Oh!!!! St Albans!!! Oh!!!! I see! It's much easier to have access to doping in Kenya than it is in the UK!
Listen, I don't think she is doping. But I know you are a hypocrite. Just think rationally for one second of your life. Oh wait. I have "known" you for over a decade and you are incapable of doing that.
Oh!!!! St Albans!!! Oh!!!! I see! It's much easier to have access to doping in Kenya than it is in the UK!
Listen, I don't think she is doping. But I know you are a hypocrite. Just think rationally for one second of your life. Oh wait. I have "known" you for over a decade and you are incapable of doing that.
No idea who you are.
Why not use your normal handle?
So you agree with me, but getting tearful nonetheless. Interesting.
In which case it would be Keely, Reekie, the amazing talent that is Gill and one of Boffey/Bell/Wallace?
I’m not sure. Boffey has only run 2.01 this year. Alex Bell just ran 1.59.5 and Wallace slightly quicker. They won’t send Bell. For some reason they seem to not like her.
Oh!!!! St Albans!!! Oh!!!! I see! It's much easier to have access to doping in Kenya than it is in the UK!
Listen, I don't think she is doping. But I know you are a hypocrite. Just think rationally for one second of your life. Oh wait. I have "known" you for over a decade and you are incapable of doing that.
No idea who you are.
Why not use your normal handle?
So you agree with me, but getting tearful nonetheless. Interesting.
I have no normal handle, since a person who cannot be named banned me for disagreeing with them in 2021. Why the immature remarks? "getting tearful"?
What is interesting is that you are a very lonely old man seeking validation on Letsrun. You have been doing that for so many years. I'm going for a run. Do you know what that is? Do you run? No? You should try it. I love running! You are just bitter. I wish you peace. I pity you.
I have no normal handle, since a person who cannot be named banned me for disagreeing with them in 2021. Why the immature remarks? "getting tearful"?
What is interesting is that you are a very lonely old man seeking validation on Letsrun. You have been doing that for so many years. I'm going for a run. Do you know what that is? Do you run? No? You should try it. I love running! You are just bitter. I wish you peace. I pity you.
You can name them. Why can't you name them? Doesn't seem like I'm the bitter one here.
Bit odd you're getting this emotional on a thread where I'm saying a 17 year old girl isn't doping, but enjoy your jog.
Another extraordinary 800m race by Pheobe Gill this evening at the Manchester BMC, 55 flat at the bell and held on to win in 1:58.08 as Ciara Mageean broke the Irish record in 2nd. Ms.Gill's time broke Keely Hodgkinson's track record.
She ran the first lap as fast as the pacemaker at Eugene in the DL race won by Hodgkinson. Nothing to it for a 17 year old who was running well over 2 minutes last year.
Doping, like poison flower, beautiful but deadly. But flower not poison itself, no? Someone give water, someone plant seed.
You see this poison, but not gardener? Why shadow hide face? Why tongue stick to roof of mouth like scared gecko?
Tell Li, young one. Dark truth better than bright lie, always.
Or would it be a tough job if the UK authorities turned a blind eye, and there was an established network of coaches, clubs, etc that have ready access? Anyway, all it takes is an internet. A coach. A parent. A club organizer. Who knows?
Since when has that ever been an issue? You guys act like getting epo or steroids is some top secret, cloak and dagger affair.
Would be quite a tough job for a child from St Albans, we're not talking about a '17 year old' Kenyan here.
Middle-class girl from the South-East breaks a whole load of British records aged 15/16 - why would anyone think doping was a good idea next?
Just think rationally for one second of your life.
17 is not a "child". There are plenty of athletes who have succeeded at an international level at that age in many sports.
The usual reason for doping is maximise an athlete's chances to succeed - and that doesn't mean beating a bunch of schoolkids.
I would be impressed by any 17 year female running 55 for a 400, but to do it as an opening lap for an 800 speaks of something else. She would have been leading the field at Eugene.
Would be quite a tough job for a child from St Albans, we're not talking about a '17 year old' Kenyan here.
Middle-class girl from the South-East breaks a whole load of British records aged 15/16 - why would anyone think doping was a good idea next?
Just think rationally for one second of your life.
17 is not a "child". There are plenty of athletes who have succeeded at an international level at that age in many sports.
The usual reason for doping is maximise an athlete's chances to succeed - and that doesn't mean beating a bunch of schoolkids.
I would be impressed by any 17 year female running 55 for a 400, but to do it as an opening lap for an 800 speaks of something else. She would have been leading the field at Eugene.
Your expectations aren't aligned with reality. Plenty of high school girls aged 17 (and 16) run or have run 55 or faster in the 400m.
Since when has that ever been an issue? You guys act like getting epo or steroids is some top secret, cloak and dagger affair.
Would be quite a tough job for a child from St Albans, we're not talking about a '17 year old' Kenyan here.
Middle-class girl from the South-East breaks a whole load of British records aged 15/16 - why would anyone think doping was a good idea next?
Just think rationally for one second of your life.
Why would you assume she wasn’t doping at 16? Rationally if you are willing to dope at 17, you will at 16. See the Russian skater. And it isn’t like 16 years don’t have a long history of getting access to drugs….
Realistically until someone tests positive/confesses/avoids tots we can’t say some is a doper. And we can never prove someone is clean.
is clean? Probably. But let’s not pretend being middle class, living some where,… make any difference.
She's been setting British age-group records since she was 12. She's coached by people from her local club. There are no sponsors, no agent and hardly any social media presence. Why start doing something that risky now? Who would be behind it? She's not going to make anyone rich by winning BMC races.
Or are you suggesting she's been at it from the very beginning?
What do mean "what's the motivation"? Same as always. To win and make a name and a career. As I have stated, I think the UK has a doping culture where the most talented juniors get on a doping track.
Oh!!!! St Albans!!! Oh!!!! I see! It's much easier to have access to doping in Kenya than it is in the UK!
Listen, I don't think she is doping. But I know you are a hypocrite. Just think rationally for one second of your life. Oh wait. I have "known" you for over a decade and you are incapable of doing that.
EPO was on sale without a prescription in Iten pharmacies until recently. Corruption is so endemic in Kenya that it's likely easy to persuade a doctor to prescribe it for a little 'tea money'.
Why would you assume she wasn’t doping at 16? Rationally if you are willing to dope at 17, you will at 16. See the Russian skater. And it isn’t like 16 years don’t have a long history of getting access to drugs….
Realistically until someone tests positive/confesses/avoids tots we can’t say some is a doper. And we can never prove someone is clean.
is clean? Probably. But let’s not pretend being middle class, living some where,… make any difference.
Of course it makes a difference. Are middle-class 17 year olds in St Albans just as likely to rob somebody as a 17 year old in a Nairobi slum?
17 is not a "child". There are plenty of athletes who have succeeded at an international level at that age in many sports.
The usual reason for doping is maximise an athlete's chances to succeed - and that doesn't mean beating a bunch of schoolkids.
I would be impressed by any 17 year female running 55 for a 400, but to do it as an opening lap for an 800 speaks of something else. She would have been leading the field at Eugene.
Your expectations aren't aligned with reality. Plenty of high school girls aged 17 (and 16) run or have run 55 or faster in the 400m.
It's still a very good time for a 16-17 year old girl - and especially for a 2-lap runner. Mary Decker's best was just under 54. But for a 17 year old girl to run 55 in an 800 (who was nowhere near 2min for the 800 a year ago), yeah - nah. As I said, she would have been several metres ahead of the field of international runners at Eugene.
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