This argument is unnecessary. You can design straightforward experiments to show that one group does not have a statistically significant advantage over the other. You do have to build in incentives in the experiment design for both groups to give their best shot.
One group not having a statistically significant advantage over another is just that. Whatever difference that exists between two groups could be purely accidental. It done not mean that the difference does not exist.
Trying to test a group of trans women / girls who started medical transition before puberty creates a few additional problem.
First, the total number of those people is extremely small, and most of them do not engage in any competitive sports.
Second, most of them who engage in competitive sports do not have any "pretransition" competitive records. So you cannot control their post-transition performance based on their pretransition level.
Third, unlike the cases of post-puberty transitioners, you don't expect their performance to decline after the transition. Their performance is expected to improve from age 11 to age 14. The relevant question is whether their improvement is bigger than the improvement among cis girls. But then that raises the question of who makes up the control group.
I fundamentally disagree with your premise of some textbook “stats 101” premise of there being no way to show there is no difference between two groups. Experiments are never absolute mathematical proof and always come with probabilistic confidences that can be quantified. Just like one can reject the common (but not the only kind of) null hypothesis of no difference, failure to be able to reject it is implicitly one form of empirical evidence of group equivalence. It is immaterial that some differences could manifest just by chance (and is little different from the converse: not being able to show a difference by chance even though one exists). It is straightforward to increase confidence in the no-difference hypothesis by narrowing down requirements on the differences in mean and variation or increasing the sample size or the number of repetitions etc.
Your trans-specific pragmatic concerns of experiment design are comparable to those in many other empirical settings and are unrelated to the argument of a textbook impossibility principle like you have often claimed.
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I'm beginning to doubt whether American society can actually agree on a rationale for having separate sex/gender categories. It may just be a zombie custom or artifact that continues after society has forgotten what the point of it was. At this point, we may just need to eliminate sex/gender categories and let the chips fall as they may.
Don't discount the attention, drama, and shock value that's the goal for some. You want to be a sensitive do-gooder, good for you, but don't be naive.
Marginalized groups are often judged by the worst elements within their groups. And it's the members of the dominant group who decides which members of the marginalized group should be "showcased."
Let me ask you this. If they are looking for "attention, drama and shock value" why do so many of them try to go stealth? Why do so many of them keep their social media accounts private? Doesn't that go against "attention, drama and shock value"?
Some from column A and some from column B.
The people that this is "real" for, this is who you speak of. The ones that stay quiet. Not looking for attention, just living their life. Probably not trying to join any teams.
There's another group, as is so common in this age group, screaming for attention any which way they can get it. This is a hot button hot topic way to get lots of attention nowadays, as you see in the repetitive threads on the topic. Like being a boy making no attempt to look like a girl but saying lol Im gonna run as a girl because I can.
They want to be part of a team. They want to have fun with their friends. Allowing them to race with girls achieves that. Many trans kids say they found the community they can belong to when they joined the sports teams. I wish they could find community in other groups like choir, orchestra, theatre group or art club. And many kids do. But for some of them, the sports team is their community.
If it’s just about kids having fun, you might as well make the trans girls eligible for awards. It’s a teaching moment for parents of cis girls to teach them to be tolerant of people who seem different from them, and consoled that if and when it comes to elite competition with real monetary consequences, there will be sensible people carefully crafting policies to preserve fairness, as they indeed are trying to do.
It’s strange and invalidating to be told you can run with the girls but can never be considered a winner.
The highlighted portion of what you said.
Where are the sensible people carefully crafting policies to preserve fairness?
Where are they? When are they coming?
I haven't seen them yet, and I am concerned that they're never going to magically appear and take action to save any of this. I should just keep waiting?
If it’s just about kids having fun, you might as well make the trans girls eligible for awards. It’s a teaching moment for parents of cis girls to teach them to be tolerant of people who seem different from them, and consoled that if and when it comes to elite competition with real monetary consequences, there will be sensible people carefully crafting policies to preserve fairness, as they indeed are trying to do.
It’s strange and invalidating to be told you can run with the girls but can never be considered a winner.
The highlighted portion of what you said.
Where are the sensible people carefully crafting policies to preserve fairness?
Where are they? When are they coming?
I haven't seen them yet, and I am concerned that they're never going to magically appear and take action to save any of this. I should just keep waiting?
The sensible people are at World Athletics, World Aquatics, World Triathlon, UCI and other sports governing organizations. They have already come at the elite level of their respective sports.
It's up to national federations like USATF to follow suit. USA Swimming is in compliance with the new World Aquatics policy. Rojo should ask USATF board members if they do the same with the World Athletics policy. Once USATF does that, it will also become the policy for NCAA track & field.
As for high school sports, it's up to each state's high school sports federation. That's where you need to put the pressure on.
The alternative is to give GOP the Presidency and both houses of the Congress and pass a comprehensive national ban. But that will be overturned in the court, as the 4th Circuit did on the West Virginia law. Then you will have to replace all the liberal and RINO judges with M@G@ extremists up and down the federal court system.
Most people on this board seem to prefer the second option. I think that's a dangerous path.
You can't boo a kid. But who cares if a troubled teen kills themself right?
The policy that allows him to run with girls is the problem. The kid is just a kid, perhaps with mental health problems. Not the right Avenue to direct your policy disagreement.
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