Gwen was a swimmer before a runner as did a lot of club swimming
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This thread, and many others, reveals how frightened some people are of alternatives and methods that deviate from orthodoxy. The negative comments towards multi sport athletes, late bloomers, and those that became successful via different pathways demonstrates the insecurities of those that couldn’t make it despite doing all the “right” things.
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hhtd0 wrote:
Gwen was a swimmer before a runner as did a lot of club swimming
She swam also on her high school team, making the Wisconsin state swim meet all 4 years.
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Armstronglivs wrote:
webbed wrote:
Valby is more talented than any other woman in the NCAA.
She may be talented.
But it defies credibility that she can be that much more talented on a training program that is typically aimed at rehabilitating injured athletes - or training for sports other than distance running.
Elizabeth Leachman just won Foot Locker by 14 seconds. And Leachman does a lot of her training on an elliptical and an Arc trainer, as well as swimming.
Do you think that Leachman also "defies credibility"? Or do you think Leachman is legitimate? I would like to know what you think.
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All time US records set by low mileage cross trainers:
HS freshman 2 mile: 9:57.65 - Elizabeth Leachman (15yo)
HS 5000: 15:25.93 - Natalie Cook (18yo)
College 5000: 14:56.11 - Parker Valby (21yo)
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Arc Trainer For The Win wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
She may be talented.
But it defies credibility that she can be that much more talented on a training program that is typically aimed at rehabilitating injured athletes - or training for sports other than distance running.
Elizabeth Leachman just won Foot Locker by 14 seconds. And Leachman does a lot of her training on an elliptical and an Arc trainer, as well as swimming.
Do you think that Leachman also "defies credibility"? Or do you think Leachman is legitimate? I would like to know what you think.
I don't know much about Leachman and her training programme. I have read that she has quite a varied training programme, that involves running, cross training and aqua-jogging (there was no mention of swimming). I haven't seen anything that suggests however that she runs only a couple of days a week. That said, she is still only in her teens and is several years younger than Valby. It may well be that at that age, before physical maturity is arrived at, an athlete can do just as well or better on a programme that doesn't involve high mileage. Indeed I would be surprised if many 17-18 year old females would be able to train 70-80 mpw. For those reasons I don't think Leachman is comparable to Valby. My view remains that if a light running programme supplemented by cross-training is as effective as a high mileage programme for distance runners then I would have expected it to be a norm for physically mature athletes.
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What are your credentials? Have you ever coached? Do you even run?
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It is not as effective.
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Armstronglivs wrote:
I don't know much about Leachman and her training programme. I have read that she has quite a varied training programme, that involves running, cross training and aqua-jogging (there was no mention of swimming). I haven't seen anything that suggests however that she runs only a couple of days a week. That said, she is still only in her teens and is several years younger than Valby. It may well be that at that age, before physical maturity is arrived at, an athlete can do just as well or better on a programme that doesn't involve high mileage. Indeed I would be surprised if many 17-18 year old females would be able to train 70-80 mpw. For those reasons I don't think Leachman is comparable to Valby. My view remains that if a light running programme supplemented by cross-training is as effective as a high mileage programme for distance runners then I would have expected it to be a norm for physically mature athletes.
Leachman is very talented. She is a highschool sophomore (15 years old) and already has faster PRs than Valby did as a senior after running 4 full years....
Leachman (hs sophomore)
1600m - 4:47, 3200- 10:17, 5k xc - 16:07
Valby HS senior -
1600m - 4:50, 3200 - 10:40, 5k xc - 17:07
Valby was a decent in HS (winning her state championship) but not what we are seeing now.
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Blank231 wrote:
Leachman is very talented. She is a highschool sophomore (15 years old) and already has faster PRs than Valby did as a senior after running 4 full years....
How is that possible. They both had faster times in high school then I did in my prime.
Also please explain to me how 2 + 2 = 4. That just doesn't make any sense to me.
And do lighter things really float on water? That seems to me to be very suspicious.
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Blank231 wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
I don't know much about Leachman and her training programme. I have read that she has quite a varied training programme, that involves running, cross training and aqua-jogging (there was no mention of swimming). I haven't seen anything that suggests however that she runs only a couple of days a week. That said, she is still only in her teens and is several years younger than Valby. It may well be that at that age, before physical maturity is arrived at, an athlete can do just as well or better on a programme that doesn't involve high mileage. Indeed I would be surprised if many 17-18 year old females would be able to train 70-80 mpw. For those reasons I don't think Leachman is comparable to Valby. My view remains that if a light running programme supplemented by cross-training is as effective as a high mileage programme for distance runners then I would have expected it to be a norm for physically mature athletes.
Leachman is very talented. She is a highschool sophomore (15 years old) and already has faster PRs than Valby did as a senior after running 4 full years....
Leachman (hs sophomore)
1600m - 4:47, 3200- 10:17, 5k xc - 16:07
Valby HS senior -
1600m - 4:50, 3200 - 10:40, 5k xc - 17:07
Valby was a decent in HS (winning her state championship) but not what we are seeing now.
you are selling her short. 9:57.65 for 3 miles as a freshman
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* 9:57.65 for 2 (I mean 2) miles !
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Armstronglivs wrote:
Arc Trainer For The Win wrote:
Elizabeth Leachman just won Foot Locker by 14 seconds. And Leachman does a lot of her training on an elliptical and an Arc trainer, as well as swimming.
Do you think that Leachman also "defies credibility"? Or do you think Leachman is legitimate? I would like to know what you think.
I don't know much about Leachman and her training programme. I have read that she has quite a varied training programme, that involves running, cross training and aqua-jogging (there was no mention of swimming). I haven't seen anything that suggests however that she runs only a couple of days a week.
Leachman does aqua jogging in the summer and she's on the swim team in the winter. She only runs 3 or 4 times per week. This information is coming straight from her in recent interviews.
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He is also selling Valby short. It is a myth that she was only "decent" in high school.
Valby ran a 10:10 3200 as a junior. At that point it was the 21st best all time by a junior. And any coach watching her run that 10:10 could see she had a lot of room for improvement in fitness, form, and tactics. Her senior season was cancelled due to Covid so she lost the chance to improve on that PR.
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Blank231 wrote:
Leachman is very talented. She is a highschool sophomore (15 years old) and already has faster PRs than Valby did as a senior after running 4 full years....
Leachman (hs sophomore)
1600m - 4:47, 3200- 10:17, 5k xc - 16:07
Valby HS senior -
1600m - 4:50, 3200 - 10:40, 5k xc - 17:07
Valby was a decent in HS (winning her state championship) but not what we are seeing now.
As a sophomore in high school, Tuohy was running at least 50miles/wk, going to the gym, and swimming up to three times per week:
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Coburn and Frerichs were running 15MPW. Schweizer was running 25 MPW.
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Many Routes to the Summit wrote:
This thread, and many others, reveals how frightened some people are of alternatives and methods that deviate from orthodoxy. The negative comments towards multi sport athletes, late bloomers, and those that became successful via different pathways demonstrates the insecurities of those that couldn’t make it despite doing all the “right” things.
Scepticism isn't the same as fear.
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keyboard cowards everywhere wrote:
What are your credentials? Have you ever coached? Do you even run?
I am not arguing from any presumed authority. I am asking how can a top distance runner achieve better results from a training program that isn't what most will follow.
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Armstronghives registered follow blockhead wrote:
Blank231 wrote:
Leachman is very talented. She is a highschool sophomore (15 years old) and already has faster PRs than Valby did as a senior after running 4 full years....
How is that possible. They both had faster times in high school then I did in my prime.
Also please explain to me how 2 + 2 = 4. That just doesn't make any sense to me.
And do lighter things really float on water? That seems to me to be very suspicious.
You do know that a 15 year old athlete isn't comparable to a 21 year old?
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Runnersworld and NYT said differently.... Cranny ran 40 mpw and swam 5-6 days too over the summer. There are other examples.
"she still hasn’t run more than 45 miles a week."
"Diglio and Murphy have limited her to 45 miles a week."
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/08/sports/katelyn-tuohy.html
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