Can KT Tuohy frontrun her way to a 1500 Championship? And then Double back for a 5k Title?

I don't think the heats are fixed... that is a little too conspiracy theory for me.

But it's logical that having such a hugely lopsided heat will make it much harder for the best runners to make the final and be fresh (eg women from the West, Appleton and Tuohy). And it lessens Tuohy's chances at the double win. Tough break for them.

Barnett and Plourde got right to the front in their Quarterfinal having the benefit of starting on the outside. Barnett starting in lane 1 makes things a little more tricky for her. I think if I am Tuohy I stay in lane 3 and then go wide.

In the interesting timing department, Rylee Penn of Cincinnati who is in the 1500 semi, just announced she will transfer to Fl St

Wow. Will this affect her being able to compete at nationals? Thinking of Dalia Frias. I guess in Frias case it was the DMR, so I am guessing Penn will still compete.

Penn ran 2:01.9 and was top 10 rank in the 800m this year. Surprised that she did not contest the 800m

Looked at it some more and last year they did alternate so:

heat 1 got fastest and slowest winners, heat 2 got the other 2

then heat 2 got fastest and slowest 2nd place finishers, heat 1 got the other 2

heat 3 got fastest and slowest 3rd place finishers, heat 2 got the other 2.

This year they did away with the alternating so heat 1 got fastest and slowest of all the places

Really curious why the change.

Incompetence? It says in the manual from left to right, right to left

In a sense they did alternate R to L and L to R

1 to heat 1

2 to heat 2

3 also to heat 2

4 to heat 1

then repeat

But at most only one of the ways is "right" The 2022 way of flipping where the fastest by place goes would seem to me "more right"

This all depends on your relationship with the coach regarding the transfer. In this case, I would assume she competes.

4:27 hs 1500 4:53 hs mile per milesplit

still 4:27 to 4:08 nice improvement.

I'm not sure what your point is, should she go into the Tyynismaa (Ping?) category of broken child/teen star who finds the magic again in college? These cases are quite rare, as usually once the magic goes, it's gone for good. ie. she was not a lock to be good in college. Even though she ended up at Oregon (home state school), I would venture she was not heavily recruited.

Either way great improvement and now great training partners. Now that she's good, she'll probably transfer to a school with better running tradition and history.

Your brain cells are doped up son, as much as I think Astro is an over the top moron!

Just cause she can smoke you doesn’t indicate she’s doped up loser.

So if I'm understanding this correctly, the rules follow a serpentine pattern ranked by place.

Assuming that's been a constant in previous years with no rule changes, it appears they deviated from the rules last year and complied with them this year.

The 2023 rule changes list nothing regarding heat formation. Just trying to understand.

How the runners are listed is based on ranked performance list. How that is determined has to be either by time or place - more info I don't know. Some posts earlier in the thread say place not time. Haven't found info on that.

Not sure why '21 was different but yes you could be right.

from the Cross Country and Track and Field Rules Manual

c. Principles of forming heats for second and subsequent rounds of competition
are as follows:
1) Weigh place first.
2) Weigh time second.
Note: For fully automatic timing malfunctions, see Rule 15-12.4.
3) Seed each group of place winners as a unit by their times. Seed winners,
then seed second-place runners, etc. Work from left to right, and from
right to left and then all qualifiers on time in descending order.
4) Draw heat order by lot.

Thanks, I was there, not sure why I didn't see it.

The question is do they place h1/h2/h2/h1 for all places in the quarterfinals or do they place h1/h2/h2/h1 for 1st, 3rd, 5th, and h2/h1/h1/h2 for the others (which seems to be what they did lasy year)?

Thought I was referencing '22, but no matter. Thanks

Seems like factoring in times would be a better way to go, but that would get into more rules like:

NCAA record times being legit on an approved track as long as it's during the season even if it's not in an actual NCAA meet.

Those same times not being legit to qualify in semis if the track has pace lights. (and that's understandable)