True, but she doesn't want to burn bridges for her future in running if there is one.
Seeing as she is still basically around BTC and likely training with them and also the time trials she may not be getting compensation per se, but I wouldn't be surprised if she shares or recently shared a room with a BTC athlete.
Does Houlihan have any grounds/the ability to file suit against wada/labs/whoever else is involved in the testing process? Seems like she could easily prove financial injury.
You better believe if someone took away my livelihood, I'd be suing anything with a tax id. I find it strange she's not seeking any repercussions. or maybe she is and I don't know about it?
One other thing that I found strange is the communication. Who sends an email and then sits around for two weeks waiting on a response, then continues that pattern for a year before making the communication more formal? Why was there no legal action taken immediately? Why didn't they hire an intern to email them every 15 minutes until they get a response? Why didn't they go sit in the lobby of their building and demand a meeting? Why didn't Nike help out with that? They have plenty of lawyers who are pretty good at strong arming. Seems foolish to now be more aggressive about it.
WADA can't be sued for doing what it is empowered to do, and for following its procedures. It would have had to exceed its authority in a material way or have been grossly at fault. Not an issue. If it had been so at fault the case against Houlihan would have been thrown out long ago. No doper can sue the prosecuting body for a decision that results in the loss of their livelihood. That loss is the consequence of their breaching the rules. Houlihan has no case of any kind.
You can sue anyone for anything . Look our firm handled the Riddler sues Batman.
1) Who in the hell is advising this woman on what to say and what not to say here? "I don't know if someone gave me something I didn't know about", "What if it was a vitamin and I'm still taking it" "Yeah the burrito thing as ridiculous as it honestly sounds, it feels like it makes the most sense" - are you kidding me? Are you really f-ing kidding me here. This is like an 8 year old child trying to navigate something their parents know they did and they know their parents know they did it. She went to college? Really? My god.
2) If anyone still believes and supports her they are just as moronic as she is. And yeah this is a message board where we can all say things with very little consequence and never be held accountable to, but I would say that to anyones face. If you support her you support doping in sport and you are an idiot.
3) Zero doubt she knew exactly what she was doing. She did nandrolone precursors which are easily available and her mental gymnastic was "well it's not directly nandrolone, so......" Again, the mark of a complete moron and no surprise she didn't know how to manage it and not get caught like some of her bed-buddies, uh I mean teammates, uh yeah....., were able to.
4) If Jerry Schumacher is still supporting her he is just as bad. Same with Flanagan. The best and right thing they could do is make public statements saying that unfortunately as new information is coming to light it is apparent what they believed was not the case and they were wrong. Yeah we know they needed to support her initially and that wasn't the wrong thing. But now it's time to say "we were wrong and we were fooled too". By not doing this they bring the whole BTC into disrepute - all of the athletes in that group should have that cloud over them fairly or not. So he in particular needs to grow a pair and do the right thing.
What a joke this whole thing is. People that can't see things right in front of their very eyes - completely mindf---ed by emotion and what they want to believe vs rational thought and common sense.
What a statement from USATF to the millions who do sport that everything they eat must be checked out.
Come on now, millions of people are not drug tested for T & F participation. But when you are at the top of the sport, not having PEDs in your system isn’t that much of an ask.
All who do a Wada recognised sport have to comply with the rules.
It's definitely still relevant. Sharing information in spite of an NDA qualifies as a breach of contract and can open the breaching party up to a lawsuit. Even if she wants to, it becomes a lot more difficult to escape penalty after she signed. What is an NDA in this situation for but to prevent whistle blowing?
1) Who in the hell is advising this woman on what to say and what not to say here? "I don't know if someone gave me something I didn't know about", "What if it was a vitamin and I'm still taking it" "Yeah the burrito thing as ridiculous as it honestly sounds, it feels like it makes the most sense" - are you kidding me? Are you really f-ing kidding me here. This is like an 8 year old child trying to navigate something their parents know they did and they know their parents know they did it. She went to college? Really? My god.
2) If anyone still believes and supports her they are just as moronic as she is. And yeah this is a message board where we can all say things with very little consequence and never be held accountable to, but I would say that to anyones face. If you support her you support doping in sport and you are an idiot.
3) Zero doubt she knew exactly what she was doing. She did nandrolone precursors which are easily available and her mental gymnastic was "well it's not directly nandrolone, so......" Again, the mark of a complete moron and no surprise she didn't know how to manage it and not get caught like some of her bed-buddies, uh I mean teammates, uh yeah....., were able to.
4) If Jerry Schumacher is still supporting her he is just as bad. Same with Flanagan. The best and right thing they could do is make public statements saying that unfortunately as new information is coming to light it is apparent what they believed was not the case and they were wrong. Yeah we know they needed to support her initially and that wasn't the wrong thing. But now it's time to say "we were wrong and we were fooled too". By not doing this they bring the whole BTC into disrepute - all of the athletes in that group should have that cloud over them fairly or not. So he in particular needs to grow a pair and do the right thing.
What a joke this whole thing is. People that can't see things right in front of their very eyes - completely mindf---ed by emotion and what they want to believe vs rational thought and common sense.
Well said. Careless is bad, intentional cheater is way worse.
If she had been more forthright through the process and just owned up to the fact that something got in her system and she doesn't know how, I'd be more inclined to believe she was just a combination of careless and unlucky. The lengths she's gone through to concoct implausible explanations, criticize the antidoping process, and claim she is a victim make intentional deceit and doping seem much more likely.
Even at this late stage she continues to spout nonsensical talking points that only serve to further undermine her credibility with those who are informed. For example, early in the podcast she once again references the notion of “why would she have taken a single dose of nandrolone?” Maybe she never heard of nandrolone before, but at this point she knows full well that the best theory of the case is that she was oral microdosing a precursor and she got her timing wrong and got popped. If she cares to refute the best theory of the case, fine, but instead she keeps creating straw men to knock down. For anybody who is actually paying attention it’s insulting and I think tantamount to an admission of guilt. She knows she will never convince anybody knowledgeable about any of this that she’s innocent. This is just a pr campaign to convince the poorly informed.
The more well read in his history of Wada and the testing of Nandolone the more you realise that we just don’t know.
lol, “she answered honestly”? This reminds me of a buddy of mine from a few years ago when he caught his wife cheating and was wondering how he would be able to trust her in the future.
Me - ”How do you know if a cheater is lying to you?”
Him-“Well, sometimes she has a tell, or I can find ways to verify what she’s saying…, or hire a PI”
It's great to hear Shelby tell her side of the story.
The fundamental problem for her is that the WADA Code is broken, for these kinds of potential no-fault cases with a low probabililty of possible ingestion of banned substances from USDA approved meat.
As fans, we still cannot truthfully determine if Shelby is an intentional cheat, or was just treated like one because the process permits it.
Shelby should work together with USADA Chief Travis Tygart to push for necessary reform, to help prevent innocent athletes from being railroaded to 4-year bans -- not to mention becoming recipients of the vitriol from "fans" of the sport -- when they are unable to piece together and prove what happened to an unsympathetic anti-doping tribunal.
It's great to hear Shelby tell her side of the story.
The fundamental problem for her is that the WADA Code is broken, for these kinds of potential no-fault cases with a low probabililty of possible ingestion of banned substances from USDA approved meat.
As fans, we still cannot truthfully determine if Shelby is an intentional cheat, or was just treated like one because the process permits it.
There is no point to conducting drug testing if people like you and the Brojos are just going to assume that people are generally not responsible for what they ingest.
Come on now, millions of people are not drug tested for T & F participation. But when you are at the top of the sport, not having PEDs in your system isn’t that much of an ask.
All who do a Wada recognised sport have to comply with the rules.
Nah you are intentionally missing the point. The vast majority of the millions of people participating in WADA sports are never tested. And of those good enough to be tested, it is very occasional unless you are somebody that’s actually got a shot at international relevance. Your average 14:00 male or 16:00 female that wins local meets is not needing to document food because no one from WADA really bothers them with regularity, if at all.
Rekrunner you are the kind of person who could walk in on me having sex with your wife and you would immediately wonder whether she was intending to have sex with me or not.
Track Athletes have less than a decade, on average, do participate in their sport and make some money.
To give someone a four year ban is devastating. Especially in a case like this.
This is one of the many things that suck about T&F. Take a great promising athlete and destroy their life over this BS.
This is the same sport that Takes SAFESPORT seriously. Another authoritarian useless organization.
Lol yeah no. It might be a death sentence if Nike dropped her. But instead she's still living on their dime, training with them, competing with them or whatever it is exactly they do (time trials) and are clearly paying her legal proceedings.
The thing I'm not keen on is some of the statements made. Saying they hadn't heard of nandrolone. I mean you are in that area, a professional athlete and coach and you haven't heard of it? It just comes across like a lie. And then "nandrolone doesn’t even help distance runners". Obviously it can. I mean it's an anabolic steroid. And then 'I could still be taking it'. Well only take approved supplements. It's NSF certified for sport in the USA. Not 100% fool proof so then get them tested. Get several batches tested. Or get yourself tested again.
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