Cole Hocker is unvaccinated going into Olympic Games

Hocker is right. F the sheep.

Cole will get it 👍

https://www.kgw.com/article/news/local/all-7-of-oregons-public-universities-to-require-covid-vaccinations-this-fall/283-3bd93d71-5d2c-45cb-8cf5-290c5d9f90da

The article does mention that he has had COVID recently, so I suspect he has anti-bodies and certainly his t-cells will respond to new infection.

The article should point out that it is not the risk of getting the vaccine relative to nothing, but the risk relative to already having "earned" the anti-bodies.

I wish articles like this would attempt to quantify the difference, as that would be real reporting.

DirtyT wrote:

Mattyc wrote: bit certainly selfish too.

How is it selfish to not get the vaccine? You can still get, and spread Covid if you get the vaccine. It’s literally only helpful in protecting yourself from getting bad symptoms. I know 4 people who got Covid after getting the vaccine and they all spread it to others.

+1

lol vaccinated people out here not giving any fu*ks if they spread it around and acting like they are the moral ones

Some interesting statistics from the UK (see p.17):

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1001358/Variants_of_Concern_VOC_Technical_Briefing_18.pdf

Summary Covid delta deaths from Feb20 -June20:

Total deaths 257

1 dose 44

2 doses 118

unvaccinated 92

Trump simp.?

You’re a perfect example of the idiocy that continues to polarize the nation with an incessant need for political rivalries. You have no clue what my politics are. You assume what they are because I’m not on here throwing insults at anyone who appears to be republican. What I wrote is fact, and I stand by it, whether I think Trump should’ve been thrown out of office or not. Biden and Harris are on multiple videos insinuating that the vaccine could be dangerous. They will never hold themselves accountable for this nor will anyone else who has disdain for republicans even acknowledge the hypocrisy.

reasonableperson001 wrote:

vaxxxer wrote:

Biden and Harris absolutely, 100% started the serious politicization of the vaccine. They questioned the speed and safety of the vaccine on camera numerous times.

One of the actual full quotes from Harris that you guys like to pick just a piece of: “If public health professionals, if Dr. Fauci, if the doctors tell us that we should take it, I’ll be the first in line to take it, absolutely,” she said. “But if Donald Trump tells us that we should take it, I’m not taking it.”

https://www.statnews.com/2020/10/07/harris-pence-vaccine-trump-covid-19/

Their comments came after Trump spent months saing tons of BS about covid including that you should drink bleach. You guys are some no-context kings and it's obvious that you get your information from the same spout: Tucker Carlson's pisser.

It’s completely obvious what the intent of her statement was. Trump would never be able to override the FDA and CDC to tell Americans to go get a dangerous vaccine. She was trying to destroy faith in a potential vaccine just to take away any points Trump/Pence could win for any resolution to the pandemic. If the vaccine had been available in October they’d have brought up the idea that Trump pressured health officials to push out an unsafe vaccine. Anybody impartial can see the chicanery of each political party. I could go off about Trump’s blunders, sure. He downplayed the severity of the pandemic. No doubt. But I wasn’t talking about that. That’s not relevant to the point I’m making. I’m simply pointing out the hypocrisy of some democrats when it comes to vaccine hesitancy. Literally the same arguments were made by Biden/Harris that it came bout too fast blah blah. Now they pretend this rhetoric is exclusively a republican phenomenon. They should admit they were wrong and apologize. Really wouldn’t be that hard. Any little bit helps.

So, the idiotic poster means you should take one dose! Hocker didn't take any. He is OK with all the side effects of PED he is taking, but not OK with the short-term low grade fever caused by the vaccine? Moran Trump's moran sheeps.

perfectly said

running expert wrote:

DirtyT wrote:

How is it selfish to not get the vaccine? You can still get, and spread Covid if you get the vaccine. It’s literally only helpful in protecting yourself from getting bad symptoms. I know 4 people who got Covid after getting the vaccine and they all spread it to others.

+1

lol vaccinated people out here not giving any fu*ks if they spread it around and acting like they are the moral ones

Normal behavior for the typical kool aid drinking liberal.

I assume because he is like many runners and didnt want to miss a couple days training due to vaccine side effects. And he figured he had some immunity from having been infected before (which someone said, is it true he had covid?)

I'd not under-estimate this rest period between Trials and the Olympics. If he's had Covid, ran that well up to, and including, USAOT, he's probably feeling pretty good physically right about now.

beeBsteps wrote:

The Unkle wrote:

[quote]vonderlasa wrote:

Your “facts” are wrong. Prior infection with alpha variant only confers partial protection against the Delta variant. And reinfection does occur, even with the same strain, at a higher rate than after m- RNA vaccination.

That's insane. Experimental vaccines provide better protection that recovering from the virus does? Moderna is better than the human body.

How can you say such stuff?

Just because a vaccine is experimental does not mean it can’t be effective. And I don’t know what the obsession is with assuming an immune system negates the effectiveness of a vaccine. The vaccine is directly taking advantage of your immune system so that it is more prepared to protect you from an actual viral load that could overwhelm your immune system.

Nonresponsive to the point I made

The article states that he had COVID recently -- just a couple months ago.

That means his chances of getting it again (and contaminating other people) are already low.

Yes, there's an argument in favor of getting vaccinated for additional protection. But who cares, considering the effect size would be so small.

objectiveobserver wrote:

I agree: Hocker seems not only to be an very promising young runner, he is also smart.

It should be wellknown by now that children and young adults have zero risk of death or severe illness from the virus!

Why should he take the risk to get "rare" serious heart desease (myocarditis) or "rare" blood clots or many other "rare" severe side effects?

The people who find he lacks solidarity can just take the jab themselves if they trust they will then be protected. If they don´t trust the jab: What is the problem by not getting vaccinated!

This is the average level of critical reasoning skills and empathy we are working with here in America.

a lot of people put a lot of stock in natural immunity from previous covid infection. I had the flu last year so I should be immune this year, right? But covid viruses, like flu viruses, mutate. Surprise, surprise.

so how much immunity to delta variant do you get after having covid 19?

"Immunity varies significantly from person to person, so while many people mount a strong, durable immune response that protects them against delta after a previous infection, some may generate a weak immune response and remain at risk."

and then what will be the next variant that predominates?

many people are saying wrote:

objectiveobserver wrote:

I agree: Hocker seems not only to be an very promising young runner, he is also smart.

It should be wellknown by now that children and young adults have zero risk of death or severe illness from the virus!

Why should he take the risk to get "rare" serious heart desease (myocarditis) or "rare" blood clots or many other "rare" severe side effects?

The people who find he lacks solidarity can just take the jab themselves if they trust they will then be protected. If they don´t trust the jab: What is the problem by not getting vaccinated!

This is the average level of critical reasoning skills and empathy we are working with here in America.

Yup; especially with this monolith of free thinkers right here on letsrun. Typical American mentality; we always act like children. Our grandfathers died in WW2 and Vietnam and some college snobs can't take a vaccine and go for a run to allow the economy to stabilize.

If you do get vaccinated and then acquire Covid there is less likelihood for you to end up in a hospital. That said he is an idiot not to get vaccinated. Guess I won’t be rooting for his stupid ass. Only hope is that Covid finds him.