Is Shohei Ohtani already better than Babe Ruth?

Flagpole wrote:

forty one forty wrote:

Update please Flagpole, is he better than anyone in the HOF yet lol?

1) I made that comment THREE YEARS AGO, and it was correct THREE YEARS AGO and it said nothing about his potential.

2) Ohtani still is not eligible for the Hall of Fame, so it's really a pertinent question for WHEN he gets his 10 years of service in.

3) IF he were to get to 10 years and IF he had the career stats he has today..212 Home runs and a .278 batting average, are there players in the Hall of Fame worse than that? Yes, a few. Sally mentioned Bill Mazeroski. In based on fielding prowess that Ohtani does not have. Power hitters though in? No...he's not yet got the career stats to measure up. His 38 wins as a pitcher don't do anything either. Lots of players in who in their prime were better players then than those in the Hall of Fame, but that means nothing. Gotta do it over the long haul. Was Eric Davis in his prime better than Bill Mazeroski in his prime? Of course.

4) He's a very good player and has now strung together 4 good years in a row. Doesn't make him a hall of famer yet. The hyperbole surrounding him is insane. Better than Babe Ruth? Um...no. Will he ever pitch again? Who knows?

5) Adam Dunn strung together 7 seasons in a row with 38 or more HRs (46, 40, 40, 40, 40, 38, 38...then he had an injury-laden season were he hit just 11 and then hit 41 and 34 HRs after that. He's not in the Hall of Fame.

forty one forty wrote:

Flagpole wrote:

1) I made that comment THREE YEARS AGO, and it was correct THREE YEARS AGO and it said nothing about his potential.

2) Ohtani still is not eligible for the Hall of Fame, so it's really a pertinent question for WHEN he gets his 10 years of service in.

3) IF he were to get to 10 years and IF he had the career stats he has today..212 Home runs and a .278 batting average, are there players in the Hall of Fame worse than that? Yes, a few. Sally mentioned Bill Mazeroski. In based on fielding prowess that Ohtani does not have. Power hitters though in? No...he's not yet got the career stats to measure up. His 38 wins as a pitcher don't do anything either. Lots of players in who in their prime were better players then than those in the Hall of Fame, but that means nothing. Gotta do it over the long haul. Was Eric Davis in his prime better than Bill Mazeroski in his prime? Of course.

4) He's a very good player and has now strung together 4 good years in a row. Doesn't make him a hall of famer yet. The hyperbole surrounding him is insane. Better than Babe Ruth? Um...no. Will he ever pitch again? Who knows?

5) Adam Dunn strung together 7 seasons in a row with 38 or more HRs (46, 40, 40, 40, 40, 38, 38...then he had an injury-laden season were he hit just 11 and then hit 41 and 34 HRs after that. He's not in the Hall of Fame.

You can dismiss it as hyperbole, look at the crowd size, listen to the murmurs and energy when he steps up to bat, look at the merchandise, it really is magic.

You're witnessing sporting greatness, sit back and enjoy.

Flagpole wrote:

forty one forty wrote:

Update please Flagpole, is he better than anyone in the HOF yet lol?

1) I made that comment THREE YEARS AGO, and it was correct THREE YEARS AGO and it said nothing about his potential.

2) Ohtani still is not eligible for the Hall of Fame, so it's really a pertinent question for WHEN he gets his 10 years of service in.

3) IF he were to get to 10 years and IF he had the career stats he has today..212 Home runs and a .278 batting average, are there players in the Hall of Fame worse than that? Yes, a few. Sally mentioned Bill Mazeroski. In based on fielding prowess that Ohtani does not have. Power hitters though in? No...he's not yet got the career stats to measure up. His 38 wins as a pitcher don't do anything either. Lots of players in who in their prime were better players then than those in the Hall of Fame, but that means nothing. Gotta do it over the long haul. Was Eric Davis in his prime better than Bill Mazeroski in his prime? Of course.

4) He's a very good player and has now strung together 4 good years in a row. Doesn't make him a hall of famer yet. The hyperbole surrounding him is insane. Better than Babe Ruth? Um...no. Will he ever pitch again? Who knows?

5) Adam Dunn strung together 7 seasons in a row with 38 or more HRs (46, 40, 40, 40, 40, 38, 38...then he had an injury-laden season were he hit just 11 and then hit 41 and 34 HRs after that. He's not in the Hall of Fame.

Flagpole wrote:

forty one forty wrote:

Update please Flagpole, is he better than anyone in the HOF yet lol?

1) I made that comment THREE YEARS AGO, and it was correct THREE YEARS AGO and it said nothing about his potential.

2) Ohtani still is not eligible for the Hall of Fame, so it's really a pertinent question for WHEN he gets his 10 years of service in.

3) IF he were to get to 10 years and IF he had the career stats he has today..212 Home runs and a .278 batting average, are there players in the Hall of Fame worse than that? Yes, a few. Sally mentioned Bill Mazeroski. In based on fielding prowess that Ohtani does not have. Power hitters though in? No...he's not yet got the career stats to measure up. His 38 wins as a pitcher don't do anything either. Lots of players in who in their prime were better players then than those in the Hall of Fame, but that means nothing. Gotta do it over the long haul. Was Eric Davis in his prime better than Bill Mazeroski in his prime? Of course.

4) He's a very good player and has now strung together 4 good years in a row. Doesn't make him a hall of famer yet. The hyperbole surrounding him is insane. Better than Babe Ruth? Um...no. Will he ever pitch again? Who knows?

5) Adam Dunn strung together 7 seasons in a row with 38 or more HRs (46, 40, 40, 40, 40, 38, 38...then he had an injury-laden season were he hit just 11 and then hit 41 and 34 HRs after that. He's not in the Hall of Fame.

WinstonSmith wrote:

Flagpole wrote:

1) I made that comment THREE YEARS AGO, and it was correct THREE YEARS AGO and it said nothing about his potential.

2) Ohtani still is not eligible for the Hall of Fame, so it's really a pertinent question for WHEN he gets his 10 years of service in.

3) IF he were to get to 10 years and IF he had the career stats he has today..212 Home runs and a .278 batting average, are there players in the Hall of Fame worse than that? Yes, a few. Sally mentioned Bill Mazeroski. In based on fielding prowess that Ohtani does not have. Power hitters though in? No...he's not yet got the career stats to measure up. His 38 wins as a pitcher don't do anything either. Lots of players in who in their prime were better players then than those in the Hall of Fame, but that means nothing. Gotta do it over the long haul. Was Eric Davis in his prime better than Bill Mazeroski in his prime? Of course.

4) He's a very good player and has now strung together 4 good years in a row. Doesn't make him a hall of famer yet. The hyperbole surrounding him is insane. Better than Babe Ruth? Um...no. Will he ever pitch again? Who knows?

5) Adam Dunn strung together 7 seasons in a row with 38 or more HRs (46, 40, 40, 40, 40, 38, 38...then he had an injury-laden season were he hit just 11 and then hit 41 and 34 HRs after that. He's not in the Hall of Fame.

Adam Dunn is your argument? A career .237 hitter?

Sally Vix wrote:

Flagpole wrote:

1) I made that comment THREE YEARS AGO, and it was correct THREE YEARS AGO and it said nothing about his potential.

2) Ohtani still is not eligible for the Hall of Fame, so it's really a pertinent question for WHEN he gets his 10 years of service in.

3) IF he were to get to 10 years and IF he had the career stats he has today..212 Home runs and a .278 batting average, are there players in the Hall of Fame worse than that? Yes, a few. Sally mentioned Bill Mazeroski. In based on fielding prowess that Ohtani does not have. Power hitters though in? No...he's not yet got the career stats to measure up. His 38 wins as a pitcher don't do anything either. Lots of players in who in their prime were better players then than those in the Hall of Fame, but that means nothing. Gotta do it over the long haul. Was Eric Davis in his prime better than Bill Mazeroski in his prime? Of course.

4) He's a very good player and has now strung together 4 good years in a row. Doesn't make him a hall of famer yet. The hyperbole surrounding him is insane. Better than Babe Ruth? Um...no. Will he ever pitch again? Who knows?

5) Adam Dunn strung together 7 seasons in a row with 38 or more HRs (46, 40, 40, 40, 40, 38, 38...then he had an injury-laden season were he hit just 11 and then hit 41 and 34 HRs after that. He's not in the Hall of Fame.

Flagpole - you said his Rookie of the year numbers were "meh" according to you. You dismissed his numbers. He only played about 100 games. Extrapolate those numbers to full season and you have an OPS. of .925, 33 home runs and 100 RBIs. Those are MVP-consideration numbers today.