David45's training thread

nebraska2020 wrote:

nebraska2020. Stop being so long-winded. You're getting david45'ed. Apparently you're not familiar with him or her, but he or she is the most prolific recent Letsrun poster there is. He or she has had a brief hiatus until a couple days ago, but between March and August, they average something like 7 threads per day where he or she would just post a troll contradictory single sentence reply. Just search "david45" and see what you've gotten into.

nebraska2020 wrote:

I should add that it's an approach that I initially picked up from reading Sascha Pachev's forum where he recommends that one get s out and runs as above doing the same distance daily and then double the daily distance on the 6th day and forgetting about any structured training/ speedwork until you are running at least 8 miles a day, 6 days a week. Which using the 8min/ mile minimum target for 'easy' also equates to c 1 hour a day.

There's a lot of advocates on that forum for this working for them in building a strong foundation and they note that at 50-60 miles a week, 'wonderful things start to happen'.

So, don't stress. You're young, you can invest your time in building a solid foundation to enjoy a lifetime running. Don't put pressure on yourself, enjoy it, stay healthy and give it a shot.

I did this last year during summer XC training. I was told by my coach to run easy, but what really ended up happening was that I was just running hard the whole time to keep up with the slowest runners on the team. That did not help me improve at all and led me to being injured.

You did not such thing, the whole team does not fit in your backyard

Not kidding wrote:

david45 wrote:

I did this last year during summer XC training. I was told by my coach to run easy, but what really ended up happening was that I was just running hard the whole time to keep up with the slowest runners on the team. That did not help me improve at all and led me to being injured.

You did not such thing, the whole team does not fit in your backyard

I was training at the school

Bro, how long was XC summer training? Cause it takes MONTHS like a bare minimum of 2-3 to build initial fitness. When I started training for the first time we had a mile time trial for XC, and I had been training for like ~3 weeks up to this point and only ran an 8:30 mile for the TT. It takes time. Just forget about all past experiences and just run like you haven't ever run before. Take it easy, forget about HR and all that crap, even take off the watch and leave it at home for that matter and just run. Fitness will come. And if that doesn't work, take up swimming or something like that where you can also become fit without all the pounding on your body. Good luck.

Stop running and take up golf.

Vexation wrote:

Bro, how long was XC summer training? Cause it takes MONTHS like a bare minimum of 2-3 to build initial fitness. When I started training for the first time we had a mile time trial for XC, and I had been training for like ~3 weeks up to this point and only ran an 8:30 mile for the TT. It takes time. Just forget about all past experiences and just run like you haven't ever run before. Take it easy, forget about HR and all that crap, even take off the watch and leave it at home for that matter and just run. Fitness will come. And if that doesn't work, take up swimming or something like that where you can also become fit without all the pounding on your body. Good luck.

Then how long did it take you to get below 6 in the mile?

david45 wrote:

Vexation wrote:

Bro, how long was XC summer training? Cause it takes MONTHS like a bare minimum of 2-3 to build initial fitness. When I started training for the first time we had a mile time trial for XC, and I had been training for like ~3 weeks up to this point and only ran an 8:30 mile for the TT. It takes time. Just forget about all past experiences and just run like you haven't ever run before. Take it easy, forget about HR and all that crap, even take off the watch and leave it at home for that matter and just run. Fitness will come. And if that doesn't work, take up swimming or something like that where you can also become fit without all the pounding on your body. Good luck.

Then how long did it take you to get below 6 in the mile?

Work, years of work. I wouldn't consider myself talented under any respect but I worked hard. That first year my 2-mile time was like 13:30 and mile was right around 6. Then I trained more and got to like 5:30-5:45 after about a year. Now I'm to 4:50-55 after like 3 years of work. But here's what I did.

1. Didn't use a watch--still don't have one.

2. Didn't check my heart rate--still don't check my heart rate.

3. Don't check my pace on easy runs--run by feel

4. Do speedwork now and then--It's supposed to hurt embrace it, still don't use HR for this

5. Didn't race every run, or go extremely slow--you're supposed to be tired (so you're not feeling like you didn't do anything) but don't feel like you're dying. Its a 'pleasant tiredness'

Again, I'm not talented, just didn't get bogged down with metrics and just ran. I understand if you don't want to listen to people who are naturally talented and go sub 5 after like a year (even if they are much more knowledgeable about running than me) but maybe you will listen to someone who started off "bad" as well when it comes to running.

Oh yea, and before running I basically didn't do any sports besides like little league baseball and basketball for like a total of a month a year maybe.

If you're not willing to put in hundreds of hours of work for years though, you're probably not cut out for running and should do something else. Anyone can run, but without the right mindset, most people quit.

Still, on my runs, I feel like I am running too hard. I am running into tempo pace for me. Feeling of pleasantly tired is hard for me to tell. It also sucks that it took you 3 years just to break 5, yet there are kids who managed to make it onto a D1 team after only running 4 years in high school.

2 things:

1. Well, it will feel like a "tempo pace" for a while until you get more fitness, probably a couple of months minimum. Its gonna be tiring but once you get more fitness it will be easier.

2. Does it look like I care that some people can run at a D1 school after 4 years when I just broke 5 after 3 years? A freshman at my school just broke 16:30 in the 5k and the school record as a freshman. I know I will never be the fastest so I run because I enjoy running. There will always be someone faster so I just enjoy breaking my own records. I enjoy the health benefits, the competition between my friends to see who can get the fastest and the mental benefits on top of all that.

If you only care about winning or thinking about how others do, then you will never enjoy running. You should run because you enjoy it, it sucks that you and I will never be the fastest but that's the way it is, so just run because you can do it and it's fun.

Still, on my runs, I feel like I am running too hard. How would you know?

I am running into tempo pace for me. How would you know?

Feeling of pleasantly tired is hard for me to tell. How would you know?

It also sucks that it took you 3 years just to break 5, yet there are kids who managed to make it onto a D1 team after only running 4 years in high school Quit yer b!tchin'.

either quit trolling or just stop running and join band or something, you're laughably slow, a ridiculous whiner, and can't handle the smallest of pains without thinking you're "injured". Chess club and band are always looking for new blood buddy

David45, you have started countless Let's Run threads to get help for your running. A lot of posters have called you a troll, and you may be a troll. However, in the case that you are not a troll, I suggest you watch this video "A Long Run" about Bob Anderson (

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZBicZR4y84&t=701s

), who started Runner's World. In the movie, around 1:14:00 into the video, Bob greets Gerry Lindgren:

Wikipedia information

Gerald "Gerry" Paul Lindgren (born March 9, 1946) is an American track and field runner who set many long-standing high school and national records in the United States. In 1965, Lindgren and Billy Mills both broke the world record for the six-mile run when they finished in an extremely rare tie at the AAU National Championships, both running exactly 27:11.6.[4] Lindgren went on to win a record 11 NCAA collegiate championships with Washington State University.

In the Long Run, Gerry talks about his start in running. His cross country teammates called him the Wimpy Runner. Yet, he eventually became a pretty good runner. He even beat Steve Prefontaine in a NCAA Cross Country Championship race. When I saw this segment of the Long Run video, I immediately thought all your training treads, so please getting after it. Who knows how good of a runner you can become in the future. You have don't have to be best in the beginning to grow into a great runner. Go David45!