David Roche GOES HOME DEVASTATED from Western States

Where was the nanny?! Hopefully in another wing of their home.

"Feels like this is being framed in the least charitable way possible.

The way David described it on the Patreon pod, it wasn’t about 'for funsies'—it was more like trying to capture a fleeting physical state. Athletes are very aware that what their body can do at any one moment in time is temporary. Taking a snapshot of that (even in a slightly odd way) isn’t that hard to understand.

It’s a bit like keeping old race photos—just a more literal version of that same instinct."

Thank you for at least not making a Susan Sontag reference Claude.

Was Cody there?

Really you should go to a nude beach and stop being a prude. Relax and let your junk fly in the open. You’ll probably like it if you’re normal. Don’t be so closed minded. The roches rock.

He most certainly did not. High carb fuelling (>100g/hr) has been around for a very long time. What he (and many other high profile athletes) did was use his platform to distort and exaggerate the science behind high carb intake during exercise to make money for himself and for his sponsor. Lying to the community he claims to love in order to line his own pockets is sociopathic behaviour and not something we ought to be applauding. He's done the same thing for many other supplements and gadgets. Roche and his fellow influencers are the least reliable source of unbiased scientific information on the internet.

If he had an honest bone in him what he would have said is that elite athletes tolerate high carb intake not because carbs are magic, but because their metabolic systems are highly developed. Copying their intake without having the same capacity is not advanced: it is premature and often unhealthy. High intra-workout fueling has its place, but only if you earn it first by building real work capacity. This is where “science-based” advice fails and becomes pseudoscience: it ignores readiness. High intake is not a goal. It is a consequence of mitochondrial capacity. Without that capacity, more fuel does not mean more performance: it means stress.

Moreover, what the research has found is that very high intakes do not improve performance. Even if you are able to digest, absorb and oxidise 120g/hr, all that happens is the muscles respond by oxidising less fat and more carbs. There is no glycogen sparing (and in fact, some studies have found that very high carb intakes may increase muscle glycogen depletion). So it's a pointless exercise. You're robbing Peter to pay Paul!

In ultra running - and it's mostly ultra runners who pay attention to Roche - exercise intensity is so low that you're using fat preferentially. So why risk gastro problems in an ultra by forcing down large volumes of carbs when there is literally no need to do so?

yes, why don't you do something completely different than what he did, you might like it. weird take dude is always coming in with something like "who cares if he fantasized about dogs, did you hear what he said about salad dressing? you freaks"

Did you see what his athletes did at Boston? You got piss all over your face right now. David and Megan big W you can raise the banner too you loser.

Wait you subscribe to a Patreon for a person you don’t like hahahahahaha you are a fool

"It is not unusual to find that what presents itself as criticism in fact preserves a certain proximity. Paying for access to someone one insists on disliking belongs to this familiar ambiguity, where distance is asserted, but not quite achieved, as 'rate my username' has surely found."

accepting piss is kind of my thing

If this is David know you own these 🤡 on this thread. They can’t help but get bent out of shape over a stranger.

Still hoping he gets back into western states for some redemption after the beatdown I gave him. And I’m no stranger to him (or her).

nobody knows or cares about western states. Bunch of walking FOOLS whose knees will be shot by 70.

[taps sign a few times]….it’s the name of the thread, and where I crushed the man!

I can read the thread. Compare it to Boston all over the news. Western not so much. It’s a silly sport that Kipchoge would wipe the floor. You’d be cleaning up his leftovers.

Ultra runners crush potato chips and candy and coke at aid stations.

Wait wait wait, you are telling me the Boston Marathon is a bigger deal than Western States? News to me, but ok.

did he run Boston? maybe I crushed him there too.

My first question is 'who David Roche' that there is 109 pages, so I had a quick look at last page. Still don't don't know.

But haven't we gone full circle, from Lore of Running and before. Basic biochem and physiology 'tell you' why carbs are essential for high (fast) performance, not so much for ultras. You seen many thin ultra runners (plodders) recently?

A good low 2hr marathoner , light and muscular enough, can actually carry his glycogen pre stored for the whole race requirements. The serious weekend warriors, sub 3 and maybe 4 do need in race fuel, and fat aint going to cut it. However, assuming from title, if you are talking Western States (not going to read 109pages), you don't even need carbs except some glucose for the brain.

But we are not re-inventing what humans have been doing 1000's of years , except that early hunters never exercised fast, their chases were extremely slow, waiting for prey to collapse. Running faster, for longer required more glucose. I digress.

But...here is the longer term problem. Many older runners used to such diets, suddenly find themselves pre diabetic and diabetic with skinny fit bodies. What the...yep. Keep pushing your physiological boundaries and systems start rebelling. Insulin starts behaving not the way it was meant to but on the expectations you have put it through for many years. Use it...or lose everything. Not a game of chance, because you had the inputs.

cheers