Racket wrote:
Points 2 and 3 are mostly why there's currently an investigation. You know, to collect evidence and see if laws are violated.
I take it you're a fan of the Patriot Act?
No crime needs alleged: start an investigation, find things that "seem" illegal, get a Law book and try to find a fuzzy match.
jamin wrote:
Racket wrote:
Points 2 and 3 are mostly why there's currently an investigation. You know, to collect evidence and see if laws are violated.
I take it you're a fan of the Patriot Act?
No crime needs alleged: start an investigation, find things that "seem" illegal, get a Law book and try to find a fuzzy match.
Oops, Patriot Act, oops. Trump is telling Republicans in Congress that he ready to "make a deal" on DACA. So much for Title IV (Border Security) of the Patriot Act. Oh, well.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/trump-is-open-to-short-term-daca-deal-white-house-tells-gop-leaders/2018/03/14/b08e364e-273a-11e8-b79d-f3d931db7f68_story.htmltruthseakr wrote:
BackBay'75 wrote:
Done? The last time I checked the tweetifier in chief was still residing at 1600 Pennsylvania. Mueller is doing an honorable job but it will take a long series of fortunate and slightly improbably events to boot Trump from office. And even if that does happen we are stuck with a less incompetent form of venality. Trump will likely remain in power because even if the Democrats win back the House of Reps in the fall, they will never get 67 votes in the Senate. The Republicans and their corporate backers are over the moon with everything they get with the Trump package--or most of it. They will *never* impeach him. They get the their court appointments. They get their tax breaks. They get their irredentist nationalism. They get to scuttle the federal bureaucracy. They get the end of regulations that the majority of Americans support but won't seriously fight for. What's not to like from the Republican perspective? The whole inclusiveness doctrine that the left has been unable to sell to white America is gone for a generation, if not longer). Gone as well is a regulated economy offering equal opportunity to those who don't come from the right families or look the right way. So, keep watching the whole Trump drama ... but don't pretend this is what will decide if the United States is going to resemble a meritocracy or a functioning democracy any time soon. That moment has past. Empires and civilizations implode. History happens. Our Circus Maximus is Trump's tweets.
My God....Where did you get such a warped World view?...... You people scare me......I'm not sure if you'all are brain washed or just plain dumb/stupid....
The feeling is mutual. Your sort scares us. You don't give a damn about poverty statistics, about the efforts to stop minorities from voting, about the undue influence of a small portion of wealthy individuals on governance. The fact that you don't care shows you live in a sort of materialist trance state where only your on kind and your own daily comfort is what matters.
jamin wrote:
Racket wrote:
Points 2 and 3 are mostly why there's currently an investigation. You know, to collect evidence and see if laws are violated.
I take it you're a fan of the Patriot Act?
No crime needs alleged: start an investigation, find things that "seem" illegal, get a Law book and try to find a fuzzy match.
Once again, you make it crystal clear that you haven't bothered to learn a thing about Russia investigation. Ignorance is bliss.
nontrumper wrote:
Speaking of yesterday's PA election:
From Tom Nichols, a conservative: "Democrats, I am pleading with you: take the right message from your PA 18 win. (HINT: Run center-left candidates who speak respectfully to a wide group of voters, who are not purity-tested out of a primary, and have a platform besides TRUMP IS TOTALLY HITLER.)"
I wish both parties would take this to heart.
Meaning, don’t mess with Wall Street, don’t mess with gun laws, don’t make any health care initiatives, and make sure defense spending stays level funded or goes higher.
jamin wrote:
(remember that the average American commits 3 felonies per day without knowing it.)
False
Racket wrote:
jamin wrote:
Ok, we're getting somewhere.
(1) You admit that there is no such crime as "Collusion."
(2) You point to some vague law, that there is no evidence of being violated.
(3) You don't even provide an explanation of how/why you think this law was violated. You seem to believe the whole theory that "Trump had some back channel with Putin who's his secret friend and Putin had some connection to oligarchs with troll farms and there was some deal where Putin's end of the deal was to use his friends to influence the election through trolling." Can you explain this theory in specific terms so we can understand it?
Out of curiosity, how many hours of Rick Maddow do you watch every week?
Point 1 appears to be a figment of your imagination as no such admission was made. Points 2 and 3 are mostly why there's currently an investigation. You know, to collect evidence and see if laws are violated.
CORRECT!
I will not be able to respond directly to this Jamin person because he/she is beyond help, and I do not waste time.
Mueller is coming.
The clown is done.
Fentrekker wrote:
nontrumper wrote:
Speaking of yesterday's PA election:
From Tom Nichols, a conservative: "Democrats, I am pleading with you: take the right message from your PA 18 win. (HINT: Run center-left candidates who speak respectfully to a wide group of voters, who are not purity-tested out of a primary, and have a platform besides TRUMP IS TOTALLY HITLER.)"
I wish both parties would take this to heart.
Meaning, don’t mess with Wall Street, don’t mess with gun laws, don’t make any health care initiatives, and make sure defense spending stays level funded or goes higher.
I disagree. You're describing someone fairly right. Most moderates (and independents) believe is sensible gun control, universal health care, etc.
nontrumper wrote:
Speaking of yesterday's PA election:
From Tom Nichols, a conservative: "Democrats, I am pleading with you: take the right message from your PA 18 win. (HINT: Run center-left candidates who speak respectfully to a wide group of voters, who are not purity-tested out of a primary, and have a platform besides TRUMP IS TOTALLY HITLER.)"
I wish both parties would take this to heart.
It would be nice to see more bipartisanship, and I know you are quoting Nichols there, but there are a couple things here:
1) Lamb didn't win in that very conservative district because he spoke respectfully to a wide group of voters. He won because this is a response both by voters to not turn out for Republicans and to turn out for Democrats. This happens typically with midterm elections, but this is happening now with these special elections just a year in to the Orange One's presidency because he is a mess and his White House is a mess, and people think it is crazy that so many Republicans continue to support him.
2) Trump is not Hitler, but he is a Hitler wannabe. He attacks our free press, our legislative branch, our intelligence agencies, any one who disagrees with him in even the slightest way. He says we should try President for life some day. The world leaders he admires are all dictators (and all men). He makes comments about taking guns away without due process. If the system were set up to allow it, he absolutely would become a dictator in this country, engaging in all things dictators around the world do.
Kind of rich for a conservative to tell Democrats to speak respectfully to others. Trump is the most disrespectful person I have ever heard of, and they laugh and orgasm at his every vile word.
A nice 538 article on how heavily that district leaned Conservative
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/pennsylvania-18-district-lamb-results/
nontrumper wrote:
Fentrekker wrote:
Meaning, don’t mess with Wall Street, don’t mess with gun laws, don’t make any health care initiatives, and make sure defense spending stays level funded or goes higher.
I disagree. You're describing someone fairly right. Most moderates (and independents) believe is sensible gun control, universal health care, etc.
It may be the case that a a block of centrist voters support sensible gun control and universal health care, but they are not being offered candidates by either party who have the desire, backbone, or ability to forward such an agenda. There may be a few token concessions on gun control, but universal health care will never happen in the US.
And here you have one of the erstwhile leaders of the alt-right:
https://thinkprogress.org/white-supremacist-heimbach-arrest-14c2326334ce/
The only question remaining is whether this is jamin, Lying Gary, its_baddude, or rigged for hillary.
Ah, Trumpettes - what would we do without them?
I agree, Flagpole. In Nichols' defense, I believe he's been a Never Trumper. I honestly think he and other conservatives want to see a reckoning for the GOP, as it has evolved well beyond conservative principles.
Fentrekker wrote:
nontrumper wrote:
I disagree. You're describing someone fairly right. Most moderates (and independents) believe is sensible gun control, universal health care, etc.
It may be the case that a a block of centrist voters support sensible gun control and universal health care, but they are not being offered candidates by either party who have the desire, backbone, or ability to forward such an agenda. There may be a few token concessions on gun control, but universal health care will never happen in the US.
I absolutely agree with your comment above regarding the typical candidates running for office.
I'm also hopeful that we will eventually have universal health care.
Racket wrote:
A nice 538 article on how heavily that district leaned Conservative
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/pennsylvania-18-district-lamb-results/
I generally agree with that article and recognize that the district has significantly leaned Republican, but according to Wikipedia there are 70,000 more Democrats registered in the district than Republicans.
Third paragraph:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pennsylvania%27s_18th_congressional_districtHaving grown up in that district, I would certainly not assess the people as "very conservative", but I do recognize that the district has voted for Republicans.
nontrumper wrote:
I agree, Flagpole. In Nichols' defense, I believe he's been a Never Trumper. I honestly think he and other conservatives want to see a reckoning for the GOP, as it has evolved well beyond conservative principles.
Yeah...I can see that.
If only we could go back to the days were all we did was bicker about conservative vs. liberal principles. Instead we have to have a President who can be no role model to anyone anywhere, who has multiple affairs, who has had 5 children with three different women (and I'll be shocked if Melania stays with him forever, unless he dies soon; I mean he is old and fat), who wouldn't know a kind word if a porn star hit him on the ass with it, who is racist and sexist and a serial liar and a criminal.
On top of all of that, he's a HORRIBLE manager. The State Department is a hot mess, and that's an incredibly important department! No one wants to work with or for him. People are leaving the White House in droves, and he has to resort to hiring Supply Side Larry Kudlow. Good Lord.
I am constantly in disbelief that people out there with jobs who can feed themselves still support Donald Trump. Craziness. He is not worthy of their minion-ship.
Rumor going around that Trump is planning his own 'Saturday night massacre'.... fire Sessions, then appointing Pruitt as acting AG who can then fire Mueller.
Trump is off the rails. When will the reasonable members of the GOP step up?
nontrumper wrote:
Rumor going around that Trump is planning his own 'Saturday night massacre'.... fire Sessions, then appointing Pruitt as acting AG who can then fire Mueller.
Trump is off the rails. When will the reasonable members of the GOP step up?
Is that the same Pruitt who just spent $140,000 for a new door to his office, and another $48k for a private phone booth inside.
nontrumper wrote:
Rumor going around that Trump is planning his own 'Saturday night massacre'.... fire Sessions, then appointing Pruitt as acting AG who can then fire Mueller.
Trump is off the rails. When will the reasonable members of the GOP step up?
This whole fiasco called the Trump presidency makes me realize how Nazi Germany could have happened. I'm not equating the two, but how are so many Repubs only playing party lines and defending this guy despite his crazy dictatorship behavior. The weakness in people like Paul Ryan is so apparent and so disappointing. Imagine if Ryan, right now said Trump is an unqualified lunatic and proclaimed Trump should not be POTUS. He would be quickly ostracized from the GOP, only to come back later as a hero with strength. Right now Ryan and many others are pure pu$$ies.
Pruitt wrote:
nontrumper wrote:
Rumor going around that Trump is planning his own 'Saturday night massacre'.... fire Sessions, then appointing Pruitt as acting AG who can then fire Mueller.
Trump is off the rails. When will the reasonable members of the GOP step up?
Is that the same Pruitt who just spent $140,000 for a new door to his office, and another $48k for a private phone booth inside.
Yes, the same Scott Pruitt who sued the organization that he currently runs 13 times...