When the Charlie Kirk story first broke, I unfairly lept to the assumption the shooter was probably trans. Now, I feel terrible for making that assumption because the killer was only the boyfriend of a trans. I was way off.
If you're opposed on principle to someone being punished for a speech act (i.e. because "words are not violence", etc) then you oppose someone being fired for a speech act, whether the firer has the legal right to do it or not.
Everyone who participated in "cancel culture" against right wingers had a right to do what they were doing, but for free speech supporters it was still wrong on principle to do it.
So, yeah, it's always "the employers call". But if we're talking about free speech, the employers call can be ethically wrong-- i.e. in exactly the way the right was saying the suppression of certain forms of language was wrong about 5 mins before they got the power to start threatening people's use of language.
Should Musk make good on his promise to pay the legal bills of someone who "gets into trouble at work" for tweeting a celebration of Charlie Kirk's murder, or is this somehow different from someone getting fired for saying the N-word?
You're copping out on this and you know it.
it never fails. When some old lib gets backed into a corner, they unleash some long-winded tiresome missive that says absolutely nothing.
If TMZ doesn’t want to fire their employees who celebrated I’m fine with it. If another employer does, that’s fine too.
It’s the employers call. If you don’t like it, too bad. Nobody cares.
And then some old right winger will be deliberately obtuse and think discussing something is just shouting someone down.
If you actually celebrate someone losing something of valuable to them, like a job, for a speech act, then you're not in favor of free speech.
Opponents of "cancel culture" were right and Elon Musk was right when he offered to pay people's legal bills if they charged their employer with wrongful dismissal for something they tweeted.
You, on the other hand, are a hypocrite dodging a question.
The "hey fascist, catch" is a phrase when you throw a grenade in Hearts of Iron, a WWII video game that's popular with the online right.
My son plays video games. He tried getting into various war strategy games but whenever you do public play there is always someone who is clearly a neo nazis. I asked him is he ever came across antifa members when he played games. He said “what is antifa?”
How did our nation get to a place where Charlie Kirk's assassin was writing, "Hey fascist! Catch!" on a bullet? For years, Democrats have been calling President Donald Trump, Republicans, and conservatives "fascists." Supercut of Kamala Harris, Tim Walz, Dan Goldman, Jamie Raskin, KJP, Jasmine Crockett, AOC and more calling Trump a fascist or Hitler:
Can you read? This online gamer guy was repeating gamer memes. That’s what he was doing. He was not parsing Dem speeches. Stop quoting Vance and his hitler accusations against Trump.
Ok. Then listen to those around him who said he was indeed a Leftist. Your own Guardian put it out there for you. I know it's hard to swallow, but it will help with your healing.
If you're opposed on principle to someone being punished for a speech act (i.e. because "words are not violence", etc) then you oppose someone being fired for a speech act, whether the firer has the legal right to do it or not.
Everyone who participated in "cancel culture" against right wingers had a right to do what they were doing, but for free speech supporters it was still wrong on principle to do it.
So, yeah, it's always "the employers call". But if we're talking about free speech, the employers call can be ethically wrong-- i.e. in exactly the way the right was saying the suppression of certain forms of language was wrong about 5 mins before they got the power to start threatening people's use of language.
Should Musk make good on his promise to pay the legal bills of someone who "gets into trouble at work" for tweeting a celebration of Charlie Kirk's murder, or is this somehow different from someone getting fired for saying the N-word?
You're copping out on this and you know it.
You are confused. If you work for someone, they own your job, not you. Thus, you should be able to be fired for no reason at all. You seem to consistently equate being fired for speech to being killed for speech, and celebrating both of those actions. It's not morally equivalent for me to celebrate bud light dropping Dylan Mulvaney and you celebrating the death of Charlie Kirk.
Get real. If someone were fired because they were a vocal fan of Charlie Kirk you'd line up with the others to cry "cancel culture".
Celebrating the death of Charlie Kirk because of his odious words and ideas is, like these words and ideas themselves, a speech act.
I'm not equating a speech act with murder; I'm saying celebrating someone's murder is not itself murder. You may not like to hear it, but if you're a principled defender of free speech you will defend someone's basic right do it (celebrate someone's murder).
As Charlie Kirk himself would have argued, people have a right to say things that are in poor taste, or that others may not want to hear (though he himself was a hypocrite on this, with his call compile lists of his political opponents on campus).
If you're a principled supporter of free speech you will not under any circumstances celebrate the penalization of people for speech acts alone. This includes people getting fired for speech acts, even if the firing is legal.
The killer came from a gun loving, Republican voting, Mormon conservative family. The right is scrambling to try and make him anything but what he really is. You own this one Republicans.
The killer came from a gun loving, Republican voting, Mormon conservative family. The right is scrambling to try and make him anything but what he really is. You own this one Republicans.
The killer came from a gun loving, Republican voting, Mormon conservative family. The right is scrambling to try and make him anything but what he really is. You own this one Republicans.
There is no cure for the level of stupidity the left is saddled with.
These people are incapable of discerning reality from their cult propaganda.
Kirk scared a lot of libs. It is pretty obvious that he was eventually going to run for office such as the US Senate, Governor of AZ or even POTUS one day.
You are confused. If you work for someone, they own your job, not you. Thus, you should be able to be fired for no reason at all. You seem to consistently equate being fired for speech to being killed for speech, and celebrating both of those actions. It's not morally equivalent for me to celebrate bud light dropping Dylan Mulvaney and you celebrating the death of Charlie Kirk.
Get real. If someone were fired because they were a vocal fan of Charlie Kirk you'd line up with the others to cry "cancel culture".
Celebrating the death of Charlie Kirk because of his odious words and ideas is, like these words and ideas themselves, a speech act.
I'm not equating a speech act with murder; I'm saying celebrating someone's murder is not itself murder. You may not like to hear it, but if you're a principled defender of free speech you will defend someone's basic right do it (celebrate someone's murder).
As Charlie Kirk himself would have argued, people have a right to say things that are in poor taste, or that others may not want to hear (though he himself was a hypocrite on this, with his call compile lists of his political opponents on campus).
If you're a principled supporter of free speech you will not under any circumstances celebrate the penalization of people for speech acts alone. This includes people getting fired for speech acts, even if the firing is legal.
People like you have every right to let the world know what evil scum you are.
And your employer has every right to get rid of you for damaging their company.
Your political party has a 19% approval rating. It's probably even lower after the way you monsters have been behaving since the shooting.
Any business which endorses an opinion like yours which 85-90% of the market considers to be evil and abhorrent is crazy.
You should 100% be fired. People like you have no place in a civil society.
White Christian terrorism is the real disease in the U.S. why is it that all school shooters are white?
They aren't.
White shooters committed 53% of school shootings between 1966 and 2024. Whites were 85% of the population in 1966 and are still like 60% of the population today.
The killer came from a gun loving, Republican voting, Mormon conservative family. The right is scrambling to try and make him anything but what he really is. You own this one Republicans.
The killer came from a gun loving, Republican voting, Mormon conservative family. The right is scrambling to try and make him anything but what he really is. You own this one Republicans.
There is no cure for the level of stupidity the left is saddled with.
These people are incapable of discerning reality from their cult propaganda.
Correct!
Suck it libs, the shooter rejected his family's conservative values and became a raging unhinged violent Iibtard.
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