Trump in 2020!!!!!
Promises made, promises kept!!!!
Democrats lose again!!!!!
Trump in 2020!!!!!
Promises made, promises kept!!!!
Democrats lose again!!!!!
Racket wrote:
Question for Flagpole and others old enough to remember : Did people aggressively insist Nixon was totally innocent and Watergate was a nothing burger in the same way conservatives are doing so with the current investigation?
I am old enough to remember.
No, people did not aggressively insist that Nixon was innocent and that Watergate was a nothing burger.
Back then the Republican Party was mostly sane. The big, negative driver back then was barely disguised racism. If you don't know what the Southern Strategy was it is something that would be worth your while to learn. But even with their very clear racist message to capture the South the GOP was not bat-sh!t crazy across the board like it is today.
That was before they sold themselves to the Religious Right and the NRA. Back then there was general respect for truth, for science and for all Americans. This has been replaced by a complete disdain for truth and science and an active hatred for anyone who is identified as the Other.
So, things were VERY different then.
Yam Sandwich wrote:
Back then the Republican Party was mostly sane. The big, negative driver back then was barely disguised racism. If you don't know what the Southern Strategy was it is something that would be worth your while to learn.
It's also worthwhile to learn that Southern Strategy didn't work because the south was captured by an openly racist Democrat.
Hardloper wrote:
The Constitution explicitly gives them the power to pardon criminals. Executive orders on the other hand are more ambiguous and basically just directing federal departments to do their jobs a certain way, thus it seems Trump should also be able to direct them to do their jobs. BTW I would like to see a bill with DACA pass via Congress.
So ... you would like to see a bill with DACA passing through Congress, yet at the same time you want to see those currently covered under DACA get deported on March 6.
Do I have that right?
Donald, is that you?
Trump2020!!!!! wrote:
Trump in 2020!!!!!
Promises made, promises kept!!!!
Democrats lose again!!!!!
"Democracy is beautiful in theory; in practice it is a fallacy. You in America will see that some day." My boy Benito said this on this day in 1926. Trump is OUR Benito and he is here to fckin stay man.
L L wrote:
Racket wrote:
Question for Flagpole and others old enough to remember : Did people aggressively insist Nixon was totally innocent and Watergate was a nothing burger in the same way conservatives are doing so with the current investigation?
Flagpole isn't old enough to remember that.
We need to check the 1972-1974 Letsrun message board archives to see what people outside of the media were saying then.
It was during Watergate that the media switched from reporting the news to taking down administrations they didn't like (Republicans). The media started the switch near the end of the vietnam war, but really turned activist after Watergate. They have never recovered and now the media are simply Democrat propagandists.
I was young at the time, but I remember Watergate being presented as a huge ethical problem for the country. If Nixon had helped cover up a crime, then he had to go. The MSM had a monopoly on the news so there was no public discussion on the topic. No ability for people to interact on a national scale.
How far we have come since then! Now the president can use the IRS to shut down the opposition and the media collude to hide it.
AmNotALib wrote:
Yam Sandwich wrote:
Back then the Republican Party was mostly sane. The big, negative driver back then was barely disguised racism. If you don't know what the Southern Strategy was it is something that would be worth your while to learn.
It's also worthwhile to learn that Southern Strategy didn't work because the south was captured by an openly racist Democrat.
Exhibit A ^ for the new GOP - truth simply doesn't exist for them.
The Southern Strategy is still in effect and continues to work quite well for the GOP today.
Yam Sandwich wrote:
Racket wrote:
Question for Flagpole and others old enough to remember : Did people aggressively insist Nixon was totally innocent and Watergate was a nothing burger in the same way conservatives are doing so with the current investigation?
I am old enough to remember.
No, people did not aggressively insist that Nixon was innocent and that Watergate was a nothing burger.
Back then the Republican Party was mostly sane. The big, negative driver back then was barely disguised racism. If you don't know what the Southern Strategy was it is something that would be worth your while to learn. But even with their very clear racist message to capture the South the GOP was not bat-sh!t crazy across the board like it is today.
That was before they sold themselves to the Religious Right and the NRA. Back then there was general respect for truth, for science and for all Americans. This has been replaced by a complete disdain for truth and science and an active hatred for anyone who is identified as the Other.
So, things were VERY different then.
This guy has just explained the birth of the race hustle Big Lie. After the civil rights laws passed, they needed to keep the victim/villain race hustle industry going so they cooked up these stories to demonize whites/Republicans so that people would continue to think they were guilty and go along with redistributionist schemes. It was the same race hustling slander back then as it is today. This Big Lie has made sure that we do not heal the racial divide, and keeps us at each other's throats.
Yam Sandwich wrote:
Racket wrote:
Question for Flagpole and others old enough to remember : Did people aggressively insist Nixon was totally innocent and Watergate was a nothing burger in the same way conservatives are doing so with the current investigation?
I am old enough to remember.
No, people did not aggressively insist that Nixon was innocent and that Watergate was a nothing burger.
Back then the Republican Party was mostly sane. The big, negative driver back then was barely disguised racism. If you don't know what the Southern Strategy was it is something that would be worth your while to learn. But even with their very clear racist message to capture the South the GOP was not bat-sh!t crazy across the board like it is today.
That was before they sold themselves to the Religious Right and the NRA. Back then there was general respect for truth, for science and for all Americans. This has been replaced by a complete disdain for truth and science and an active hatred for anyone who is identified as the Other.
So, things were VERY different then.
But also a lot of similarities to Watergate, as reported in the Vox article below. This morning someone on Twitter posted an article by Woodward and Bernstein from that time reporting the WH calling the investigation a "witch hunt." Exactly the words tweeted by Trump this morning or last night.
https://www.vox.com/the-big-idea/2017/5/12/15630372/watergate-impeachment-conservative-public-opinion-trump-historyThe wins keep coming for trump. Favorite son in-law Kushner has lost his security clearance.
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/02/27/jared-kushner-security-clearance-downgrade-427178
Country over party. Mueller over Trump. Rule of law will win.
DiscoGary wrote:
L L wrote:
Flagpole isn't old enough to remember that.
We need to check the 1972-1974 Letsrun message board archives to see what people outside of the media were saying then.
It was during Watergate that the media switched from reporting the news to taking down administrations they didn't like (Republicans). The media started the switch near the end of the vietnam war, but really turned activist after Watergate. They have never recovered and now the media are simply Democrat propagandists.
I was young at the time, but I remember Watergate being presented as a huge ethical problem for the country. If Nixon had helped cover up a crime, then he had to go. The MSM had a monopoly on the news so there was no public discussion on the topic. No ability for people to interact on a national scale.
How far we have come since then! Now the president can use the IRS to shut down the opposition and the media collude to hide it.
Exhibit B: Lying Gary
Racket wrote:
Question for Flagpole and others old enough to remember : Did people aggressively insist Nixon was totally innocent and Watergate was a nothing burger in the same way conservatives are doing so with the current investigation?
The real question is were liberal pundits calling Watergate a nothing burger and laughing behind closed doors?
It's not just Republicans saying it.
https://i.imgflip.com/1rp4dv.jpgCan't Stump the Trump wrote:
The real question is were liberal pundits calling Watergate a nothing burger and laughing behind closed doors?
It's not just Republicans saying it.
https://i.imgflip.com/1rp4dv.jpg
Keep laughing, but I don't Manafort and Trump are laughing much these days. Bobby 'Three Sticks' Mueller is taking names and kicking a**. The short... Mueller isn't dismissing charges unless Gates has shared some really good information. Really f*cking good information. Trump is f*cked! HAHAHAHAHA!
https://www.axios.com/mueller-dismiss-charges-rick-gates-manafort-943f1e3c-9ab7-4064-b7eb-84f6bf3fcb8b.html?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=twsocialshare&utm_campaign=organicDiscoGary wrote:
It was during Watergate that the media switched from reporting the news to taking down administrations they didn't like (Republicans). The media started the switch near the end of the [V]ietnam [W]ar, but really turned activist after Watergate.
Interesting sequence--given that the end of the Vietnam War (for us) was 1975, nearly a year after Watergate ended with Nixon's resignation.
Forgot to add, but you do realize what Gates plead guilty to.... "Conspiracy against the United States." That is shitty news for Manafort and Trump.
esq, jd wrote:
present, esq. wrote:
Bottom line: Try to avoid having an opinion about a judicial decision until you have read the judicial decision.
Maybe you can present the court decision that allows you to decide who is allowed to comment on any topic they wish. Best.
Huh?? Where did I say that anyone wasn't allowed to comment on any topic?
I simply urged people to TRY to avoid forming any opinions about decisions before actually reading those decisions--because reading the courts' actual findings is more likely to lead to informed opinions than, say, reading summaries of those findings in various media and blogs.
Sheesh, lighten up.
aherhare wrote:
DiscoGary wrote:
It was during Watergate that the media switched from reporting the news to taking down administrations they didn't like (Republicans). The media started the switch near the end of the [V]ietnam [W]ar, but really turned activist after Watergate.
Interesting sequence--given that the end of the Vietnam War (for us) was 1975, nearly a year after Watergate ended with Nixon's resignation.
Well the war at that point was pretty unpopular so I can sort of see where DiscoGary is coming from (skewed timeline notwithstanding; also, this statement is not an endorsement of DiscoGary). But seriously, what was the tone? Was it clear Nixon was a crook and everyone knew it or was Congress and 35% of America desperately trying to defend him? Yam Sandwich indicated people were more fact based back then; he was around and I wasn't but I'm not sure I buy that yet.
Flagpole wrote:
L L wrote:
Well, I agree with you there.
If he wants to deport them, then he should say it and do it.
Have the balls to make the statement that you want to deport them.
He doesn't have the stones, though.
You might have to rethink Trump's stones...I mean, he would have run into that high school with the shooter in there even without a weapon. :)
While you libs mock Trump for saying he would have ran into the Parkland School, back in 1991, Donald Trump stopped a criminal from beating a civilian to death with a baseball bat in the streets of New York:
"...as Trump got out of his car and approached the man with the baseball bat. Trump said the attacker, “a big guy with a big bat,” delivered five or six “good whacks” before he arrived at the scene. The guy with the bat looked at me, and I said, ‘Look, you’ve gotta stop this. Put down the bat,'” Trump told The Daily News. “I guess he recognized me because he said, ‘Mr. Trump, I didn’t do anything wrong.’ I said, ‘How could you not do anything wrong when you’re whacking a guy with a bat?’ Then he ran away.”
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DXBNDUCX0AAnzFP.jpg[quote]presen wrote:
Sheesh, [.../quote]
^ Fake esq.
