Official LRC President Donald J Trump Thread

What you say sounds perfectly reasonable. There are plenty of churches with people who have the same views as you. I think you would be blessed by finding a church with supportive and like-minded folks.

Would you PLEASE shut the fvck up about god and religion? I don't jam my unbelief down your throat, please don't jam your faith down mine...

save it for the flock on Sunday wrote:

Would you PLEASE shut the fvck up about god and religion? I don't jam my unbelief down your throat, please don't jam your faith down mine...

Well, I did my bit (on the previous page) to try to get us back on track--why don't *you* post something that's relevant to the actual purpose of the thread? The way to get away from irrelevant discussions is by discussing relevant stuff, no?

Here is what it did do:

Obliterate this March 5 target deadline.

Democrats were using the March 5th date as a way to put pressure on coming up with an immigration deal and used it in the short government shutdown.

Republicans were pointing at that date and saying they didn't have to do anything until then and wanted DACA out of earlier negotiations.

Now it's this murky thing sitting out there without a hard deadline.

It enabled Congress to do more nothing. Something they are great at.

L L wrote:

Here is what it did do:

Obliterate this March 5 target deadline.

Democrats were using the March 5th date as a way to put pressure on coming up with an immigration deal and used it in the short government shutdown.

Republicans were pointing at that date and saying they didn't have to do anything until then and wanted DACA out of earlier negotiations.

Now it's this murky thing sitting out there without a hard deadline.

It enabled Congress to do more nothing. Something they are great at.

Though the GOP might publicly protest otherwise, SCOTUS's decision not to short-circuit the appeals process certainly works in the Republicans' favor IMO.

More than 80% of Americans, we're told, favor some kind of program that keeps Dreamers in the country and offers a path to citizenship. Yet GOP congresspeople fear--accurately, I think--that if they voted for a program that did any such thing, they would be vulnerable in primaries and general elections. This SCOTUS decision allows the GOPers to pander to their bases and yet avoid the opprobrium that would attach to an actual vote. Advantage, Republicans.

I agree with others who've said that they expect the Senate to *gain* Republican seats this fall, and the House to remain majority-Republican. For all the noise coming from Dems, I have yet to see much that has translated into action, concrete proposals, and resulting *votes*.

Historically, the president's party loses House seats in the next election. The only exception recently was 2002, but I think 9/11 certainly had an effect on that election. I agree though, I haven't seen anything from the Democrats that would actually inspire people to vote for them. I think the loss of House seats is usually just a reaction to the sitting president.

Yes, the decision helps Republicans drag their feet on this.

They want to not pass it while saying they will pass it, while Democrats actually want to pass it.

You may not see Dems action and proposals that will translate into votes.

But it all comes down to enthusiasm.

More people in the US identify as Democrat than Republican. But the election results come down to how geographically concentrated they are and how enthused they are to actually come out to vote.

What is going to motivate people to come out and vote Republican?

When a party has the majority in office, voters aren't as compelled to come out and vote. Especially when they see nothing gets done anyway.

What Republicans do have is the tax cut. Will their voters come out and reward them or stay home and be content?

There are a lot of women and young people that really want to vote to make a difference this year. And they lean Democrat.

Plus Hispanics are concerned about Republicans in power.

And Trump has sure done nothing to expand the Republican base. He may have some fiery supporters, but not great depth in numbers.

Count Chocula wrote:

Historically, the president's party loses House seats in the next election. The only exception recently was 2002, but I think 9/11 certainly had an effect on that election. I agree though, I haven't seen anything from the Democrats that would actually inspire people to vote for them. I think the loss of House seats is usually just a reaction to the sitting president.

I agree generally with this. Some points though:

1) Democrats have had to respond to almost daily chaos out of the White House, so that has limited much of what they can do with regard to inspiring others to vote for them.

2) Normally, being against the sitting President isn't enough, but this time it likely is. Trump's approval rating is 35%, and he's the most hated President ever.

3) The gun issue will be big too. 7 in 10 Americans believe we should have some more gun control.

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Opinions R Us wrote:

Go for it. You seem like an intelligent fellow. Why not express an opinion?

And where is your opinion? This appears to be the first time you have posted on this thread--you are obviously new here.

Well, I have already expressed one opinion - Conundrum seems to be an intelligent fellow.

Here is another one. You appear to be an ignorant a-hole.

Fat hurts wrote:

Obvi wrote:

I see. So somewhere along the way some "dude" who was soulless had a son who had a soul? Did this first "souled" man look at his father as a "lower creature" without a soul do you think?

I don't know what he might have thought, or why it really matters.

In other words you recognize the absurdity of your thought process and don't have the integrity to admit it.

Got it.

"Georgia's lieutenant governor on Monday threatened to prevent Delta Air Lines from getting a lucrative tax cut after the company ended its discount program with the National Rifle Association, in the latest fallout from a deadly school shooting in Florida.

Delta is part of a growing chorus of businesses cutting ties with the NRA after the Valentine's Day shooting at a Florida high school left 17 people dead. But now the airline is coming under attack, with Georgia's lieutenant governor threatening a sales tax exemption making its way through the legislature.

Republican Lt. Gov. Casey Cagle, president of the state Senate and a leading candidate to succeed Gov. Nathan Deal, tweeted that he would use his position to sink the proposed sales tax exemption on jet fuel.

"I will kill any tax legislation that benefits @Delta unless the company changes its position and fully reinstates its relationship with @NRA," Cagle tweeted. "Corporations cannot attack conservatives and expect us not to fight back." "

https://www.yahoo.com/news/georgia-republicans-upset-delta-cuts-210140600.html

This is one of the most shocking acts I have ever seen from a politician - using the power of the state to attempt to coerce Delta into supporting the Lt Gov's favorite organization.

This is not about the NRA. You can love them or hate them - doesn't matter. This is about a profound abuse of power by an elected official. If the Lt Gov is not slapped down HARD then this will be a terrifyingly clear signal that we have already become a banana republic

Agreed, this is really bad. You have an elected official threatening to use the levers of government to punish a private company for eliminating a DISCOUNT for another private organization. This is similar to the whole Carrier deal in Indiana, but worse (IMO) because we're talking about a discount, not even jobs.

I saw that Delta/NRA/Georgia politician thing yesterday.

Amazing that a politician would threaten legal and financial action against a private business if they do not support their political opinions.

Maybe we can have a national referendum against the NRA.

Everyone who fully supports the NRA can vote Republican and everyone that has issues with the NRA can vote Democrat.

You can still be in favor of the right to have guns and be against the NRA.

I think we are due to have a new gun lobby that has common sense for safety.

Opinions R Us wrote:

Here is another one. I appear to be an ignorant a-hole.

^HI HARDLOPER!!!

Flagpole wrote:

Count Chocula wrote:

Historically, the president's party loses House seats in the next election. The only exception recently was 2002, but I think 9/11 certainly had an effect on that election. I agree though, I haven't seen anything from the Democrats that would actually inspire people to vote for them. I think the loss of House seats is usually just a reaction to the sitting president.

I agree generally with this. Some points though:

1) Democrats have had to respond to almost daily chaos out of the White House, so that has limited much of what they can do with regard to inspiring others to vote for them.

2) Normally, being against the sitting President isn't enough, but this time it likely is. Trump's approval rating is 35%, and he's the most hated President ever.

3) The gun issue will be big too. 7 in 10 Americans believe we should have some more gun control.

Jesus, you're still living in la-la land.

1) Supposed "chaos" from the White House should help the Dems gain support, no? The problem this time around is the steady stream of information coming out about the Dems/HRC/DNC actually being more corrupt and collusion-prone that the accused POTUS. America's greatly reduced confidence in our political and intelligence institutions is completely justified at the moment. As long as they continue to be exposed, the Dems will have trouble gaining power.

2) Not a single poll has Trump at 35%. In the non-intentionally-low (based on 2016 election and recent accuracy) polls, he is on a steady uptrend. One of the more accurate with regard to Trump's popularity has him at 50%.

Remember, Obama's average for his entire 8 years was 47%, so it really doesn't mean much anyhow.

3) Gun control matters little.

Anyone know what name Agip is posting under these days?

Brannenly wrote:

2) Not a single poll has Trump at 35%.

Brannenly [Hardloper] wrote:

blah, blah, blah

^LOLcats

Flagpole wrote:

Count Chocula wrote:

Historically, the president's party loses House seats in the next election. The only exception recently was 2002, but I think 9/11 certainly had an effect on that election. I agree though, I haven't seen anything from the Democrats that would actually inspire people to vote for them. I think the loss of House seats is usually just a reaction to the sitting president.

I agree generally with this. Some points though:

1) Democrats have had to respond to almost daily chaos out of the White House, so that has limited much of what they can do with regard to inspiring others to vote for them.

2) Normally, being against the sitting President isn't enough, but this time it likely is. Trump's approval rating is 35%, and he's the most hated President ever.

3) The gun issue will be big too. 7 in 10 Americans believe we should have some more gun control.

I think Trump continues to enjoy strong support from his base, but his doubling down on dumb ideas is going to take a toll on enough of those votes that it will be wide open for a contender who can differentiate themselves from the average politician and be able to bark as loud as Trump.