Official LRC President Donald J Trump Thread

Off the topic of Trump, but is there a more important topic than whether one believes in God or not. I am convinced that there is a God but my belief is very different than the teachings of any traditional church. I think man is searching and most religions have some small piece of truth but mostly are fooling themselves with the dogma they believe. At some point, if I thought my post wouldn't get deleted I would explain why I am convinced there is a God.I

Conundrum wrote:

Off the topic of Trump, but is there a more important topic than whether one believes in God or not.

I am convinced that there is a God but my belief is very different than the teachings of any traditional church. I think man is searching and most religions have some small piece of truth but mostly are fooling themselves with the dogma they believe.

At some point, if I thought my post wouldn't get deleted I would explain why I am convinced there is a God.

I think a big problem is that people don't define what they mean by "God"--so people literally don't know what they're arguing about!

Most, but by no means all, people accord God contradictory attributes. Such a being cannot exist, any more than a married bachelor can. As one example, many people say they worship a being that is both all-powerful and all-knowing--of course, it is not possible to know the future unless it is fixed, in which case the being would be powerless to change it.

But, to bring this back to the thread topic, we know it is possible for a being to be essentially all-powerful and all-unknowing--we've got one in the White House now!

I see. So somewhere along the way some "dude" who was soulless had a son who had a soul? Did this first "souled" man look at his father as a "lower creature" without a soul do you think?

Could you please try posting in English? Thanks!

Conundrum wrote:

Far h and Trollm made excellent posts. Fat hurts pretty much laid out the options and the deniers have two pick one of the first two unless as the Trollminator stated they dont reflect on it but instinctively go with their sides position without thought.

Let me add another option. They automatically without thinking deny global warming because that's what their chooses, but then they search out an obscure source or fact to validate the opinion they already formed.

Trollminator wrote:

Well put my friend. There is one other worth noting - that millions simply don’t have much intellectuall curiosity to form a supported opinion. The only reason these folks would care is that it’s become politicized, so they will take sides.

Fat hurts wrote:

I was hoping you would do better than that. You have ignored the fact that God is sovereign and can award a soul to any creature he wants. According to most theologians, souls only go to humans.

Just because humans may have evolved from lower species does not mean that someone forced God to give souls to those lower creatures.

That would mean that for billions of years, Heaven was empty of souls, until one proto-human was sufficiently evolved to warrant a soul and place in Heaven.

Go for it. You seem like an intelligent fellow. Why not express an opinion?

UR welkome.

Please Mr Please wrote:

Could you please try posting in English?

Thanks!

YOU simply don’t have THE intellectual curiosity to form a supported opinion.

Opinions R Us wrote:

Go for it. You seem like an intelligent fellow. Why not express an opinion?

And where is your opinion? This appears to be the first time you have posted on this thread--you are obviously new here.

That reminds me of one of the other conundrums regarding God, "can God make a stone so heavy that he cannot pick it up"

As far as predicting the future and changing the future, maybe God would know if and what he would change the future to.

Obvi wrote:

Fat hurts wrote:

I was hoping you would do better than that. You have ignored the fact that God is sovereign and can award a soul to any creature he wants. According to most theologians, souls only go to humans.

Just because humans may have evolved from lower species does not mean that someone forced God to give souls to those lower creatures.

I see. So somewhere along the way some "dude" who was soulless had a son who had a soul? Did this first "souled" man look at his father as a "lower creature" without a soul do you think?

Interesting thought. But it is similar to the question what came first, the chicken or the egg. At some point an animal that is extremely human like gives birth to a person who actually is human.

I guess at that point, the son could rightfully claim his parents are just animals.

You realistically make it sound farfetched, but yes, at some point maybe people got souls. But really I think it's all much more complicated. We cannot fathom the complexities of God and the way of the world.

It is probably wise to change handles like you do when making a snarky post. But sometimes the content and writing style can still give you away.

It would take some time to develop and organize my thinking on this. Certainly to believe in God is to believe in some crazy farfetched ideas. However not to believe in God also requires believing in some crazy farfetched ideas.

I believe in man's search to understand God. I differ from churches in that I think our knowledge of God is very limited and much of what we believe is probably well meaning but wrong. I think the concept of the holy trinity might give clues to the complexity and the dimensions of God. I think the concept of the holy spirit and of Jesus, and the human capacity for free will, suggests that one dimension of God is that he is in all of us. But God is much more than that.

I understand to express one's thoughts of God can make one sound crazy, but think of all the really bizarre things in the world that we cannot grasp.....The start of the world, the point of singularity before the big bang....It is all crazy stuff.

I don't have answers but not knowing about God is different than God not existing.

I do have more thoughts on this

Can you guys take the god discussion onto a different thread? It's really quite distracting, takes away from the interesting focus on discussion for and against Trump.

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As an aside. as a non-spiritual, non-religious, unbelieving non-American, I'm often surprised about the degree to which Americans commonly project their spiritual/religious beliefs, injecting them into discussion and the social fabric. Most non-Americans I've polled find this very irritating, perhaps the most irritating of the common characteristics of the typical American.

asker of favors wrote:

Can you guys take the god discussion onto a different thread? It's really quite distracting, takes away from the interesting focus on discussion for and against Trump.

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As an aside. as a non-spiritual, non-religious, unbelieving non-American, I'm often surprised about the degree to which Americans commonly project their spiritual/religious beliefs, injecting them into discussion and the social fabric. Most non-Americans I've polled find this very irritating, perhaps the most irritating of the common characteristics of the typical American.

I strongly disagree with you. The typical American has many significantly more irritating common characteristics.

God would be very offended by your comment!

Moving right along: I think it's important that people understand what SCOTUS did and did not do with regard to DACA.

It simply did not grant the Administration's request for an immediate decision about whether the Administration can shut down DACA. Instead, it said that SCOTUS expected an appeals court to proceed "expeditiously" to decide the case. The effect is that those currently enrolled in DACA may continue in it until the court(s) make a final decision.

As a practical matter, this means that the "Dreamers" who did not sign up for DACA are still subject to deportation at any time; and that those who are enrolled remain in limbo until/unless Congress finally comes up with some kind of immigration plan that the President would approve--which, now that the pressure of a March 5th deadline is off, will probably not happen before the legal process plays out, and almost certainly not before this year's midterm elections.

Bottom line: SCOTUS's decision not to bypass the appeals process leaves things pretty much as they are, while court challenges continue. It does not count as a major defeat for the Administration or major win for Dreamers.

Good morning! How are all you LRC stable geniuses doing this fine AM!

Obvi wrote:

Fat hurts wrote:

I was hoping you would do better than that. You have ignored the fact that God is sovereign and can award a soul to any creature he wants. According to most theologians, souls only go to humans.

Just because humans may have evolved from lower species does not mean that someone forced God to give souls to those lower creatures.

I see. So somewhere along the way some "dude" who was soulless had a son who had a soul? Did this first "souled" man look at his father as a "lower creature" without a soul do you think?

I don't know what he might have thought, or why it really matters.

Jeff Wigand wrote:

Fat hurts wrote:

I was hoping you would do better than that. You have ignored the fact that God is sovereign and can award a soul to any creature he wants. According to most theologians, souls only go to humans.

Just because humans may have evolved from lower species does not mean that someone forced God to give souls to those lower creatures.

That would mean that for billions of years, Heaven was empty of souls, until one proto-human was sufficiently evolved to warrant a soul and place in Heaven.

True. If that's the way God did it, that's OK with me. Time is not an important factor here. As we know from both scripture and Einstein, time is relative anyway.