Thanks for the details. Do people know this? I don’t think many people cared about this over the years. Or even knew it was happening.
Doubt people know. The ones that do have the wrong information.
Some things to understand about this thread:
1) Ukraine supporters don’t want to talk about how it started 2013/2014. Then they’ll lose.
2) Ukraine supporters pretend Ukraine’s Nazis are ok. Then they actually do lose. Ukraine supporters pretend Nazi symbols are required for people in countries around the world to fight for their independence. You see, any country fighting for independence should brandish Nazi clothes, according to Ukraine supporters. Worst of all, they pretend Ukraine’s fighting to preserve its 2014-2022 ethnic cleansing fascism is “independence”. Sure, it’s independence…. but to be fascists.
3) Ukraine supporters tried but failed to refute Russia’s rationale for this war. Russia was correct about NATO agreeing not to expand (acknowledged by both sides back in the day, america too) and Russia was correct about Ukraine’s Nazi problem (SMO “denazification”). Russia is correct in its claims. UkroNazi pumpers lost these points and they must resort to insults to cope.
4) Without ever talking about the war or fighting, Ukraine supporters have no evidential standing. So we out them daily for being moral frauds with transient, selective memory.
5) Talking about the war / fighting after 2022… this is where UkroNazi pumpers attempt hide, to pretend they have a voice in this war and in morality. Even there, they lose. Russia is in Ukraine and Ukraine can’t remove them. Losses daily, both sides, both ways, sure. But overall nothing is really changing now, big picture wise. Russia is still there. Ukraine still can’t remove them. Ukraine is still Nazi. They aren’t ripping up their Nazi clothes, apologizing they were wrong, giving reparations to the civilians they attacked 2014-2022.
These are the hard realities.
Many former Ukraine pumpers left this thread after Nazi evidence came out against Ukraine. They can’t stomach posting here to support a Ukraine government that encourages its Nazis. They bailed. The UkroNazi pumpers left over here are war mongers / Nazi fans / racists / or people who got stuck supporting the problem. Now they’re too embarrassed and stubborn to stop and too stupid to win. It’s the bottom of the barrel that remains here. A slurry of sh*t being stirred around at the bottom of the barrel. I keep a lid on it so they ferment together. When the war ends and Russia gets much of the land it controls now, we will kick over this s*it barrel and use it to fertilize the grounds Russia acquires so Ukraine’s Nazi problem does not return to torment civilians based on ethnicity.
The world does not need fascism or nazis no matter how much people like the uniforms.
I had some time to read your posts. Thanks again.
My thoughts; it's interesting people don't discuss the history, as you claim. That would be a way to avoid how things started, certainly. I read the Guardian article about the Maidan crowd getting violent and it seems like the start, as you note.
I watched some videos of that November 2013 violence too. The crowd was mixed. Many seemed peaceful but they did not hold back those wanting violence who were among them in the crowd. What a shame. It seems like these crowds should have been content after they booted the Russian friendly president of the time to join the EU. They weren't though.
My thoughts; it's interesting people don't discuss the history, as you claim. That would be a way to avoid how things started, certainly. I read the Guardian article about the Maidan crowd getting violent and it seems like the start, as you note.
I watched some videos of that November 2013 violence too. The crowd was mixed. Many seemed peaceful but they did not hold back those wanting violence who were among them in the crowd. What a shame. It seems like these crowds should have been content after they booted the Russian friendly president of the time to join the EU. They weren't though.
The war did not start during the Maidan protests. The war started when Russia invaded Crimea and supported terrorists in Eastern Ukraine (the same terrorists that shot down MH17). Now you know the truth that Russia is 100% to blame for the war in Ukraine.
I am open to learning about this war. Let’s hear people out.
Ok. Here’s what you need to know. Putin is a Nazi loving subhuman scumbag that ordered his Nazi-infested sh*thole of a country to invade Ukraine. Note, Russia is home to more Nazis than every other country combined due to Putin openly supporting Nazi groups for the last 30 years.
The war is 100% Russia’s fault. Their army is getting massacred daily as they are driven from Ukraine.
Some posters, like ceccione, live in a fantasy world where these facts are not true. They post pro-Russian BS as a way of coping with their own inadequacies.
I read this. It is filled with vitriol but not much information on the events. I am interested in the events that have taken place to learn about this war objectively. Other people are sharing relevant details regarding events. I haven’t followed this so I’d like to learn something for my time and I appreciate those who try.
for reference, see map below of Russian control a year ago. Notice how a lot of territory that RussoNazis once controlled they now do not? That process is continuing, with many RussoNazis getting turned into meat puddles along the way.
Your map shows Russia is in Ukraine. Ukraine is losing this war, thanks to your map. Why is the Ukraine government celebrating WWII Nazi collaborators?
Stepan Bandera was a Ukrainian nationalist who joined forces with the German Nazis during World War II because he believed that they would help his country gain independence from the now defunct Soviet Union.
Your map shows Russia is in Ukraine. Ukraine is losing this war, thanks to your map. Why is the Ukraine government celebrating WWII Nazi collaborators?
Thanks for this post. I am shocked Ukraine is supporting Nazi collaborators?! Please tell me this can't be true. I have not followed this war but seriously, wtf?? Your article states
Ukraine's parliament has officially designated the birthday of a prominent Nazi collaborator as a national holiday, while also banning a book that criticized another anti-Semitic national leader.
Your map shows Russia is in Ukraine. Ukraine is losing this war, thanks to your map. Why is the Ukraine government celebrating WWII Nazi collaborators?
Thanks for this post. I am shocked Ukraine is supporting Nazi collaborators?! Please tell me this can't be true. I have not followed this war but seriously, wtf?? Your article states
Ukraine's parliament has officially designated the birthday of a prominent Nazi collaborator as a national holiday, while also banning a book that criticized another anti-Semitic national leader.
Many people In Ukraine supported Nazi Germany during WW2 because it was seen as the lesser evil compared to supporting Stalin (who was an avowed Nazi collaborator) who had recently committed genocide in Ukraine (and would commit genocide again in Ukraine following the end of WW2.)
Note, more than a million Soviets also fought for Nazi Germany during WW2.
Putin is also a Nazi collaborator, which is why he supports the Kremlin’s efforts to rename St. Petersburg after Stalin. Truly a disgusting country, with more Nazis than every other country combined.
The Kremlin is also throwing a tantrum about Poland’s recent decision to rename Kaliningrad, which is named after a Soviet war criminal, who ordered the execution of more than 20,000 Polish prisoners of war after the Soviet Union invaded Poland as part of Stalin’s deal with Hitler.
Ok. Here’s what you need to know. Putin is a Nazi loving subhuman scumbag that ordered his Nazi-infested sh*thole of a country to invade Ukraine. Note, Russia is home to more Nazis than every other country combined due to Putin openly supporting Nazi groups for the last 30 years.
The war is 100% Russia’s fault. Their army is getting massacred daily as they are driven from Ukraine.
Some posters, like ceccione, live in a fantasy world where these facts are not true. They post pro-Russian BS as a way of coping with their own inadequacies.
I read this. It is filled with vitriol but not much information on the events. I am interested in the events that have taken place to learn about this war objectively. Other people are sharing relevant details regarding events. I haven’t followed this so I’d like to learn something for my time and I appreciate those who try.
Here: read these, realize that Putin is the reason that Russia has more Nazis than every other country combined, then realize why every single person with an IQ over 30 knows that Russia is 100% to blame for the war in Ukraine.
What has received less coverage is the Putin regime’s own record of collaboration with far-right extremists. Even as Russian diplomats condemned “fascists” in the Baltic states and Kremlin propagandists railed against imaginary “Ukronazis” in power in Kyiv, the Russian state was cultivating its own homegrown Nazis.
The Kremlin has its own deep track record of alliances and connections with the far-right, including violent neo-Nazi groups, to help achieve its political goals both at home and overseas.
Russian propagandists are constantly saying Ukraine is full of Nazis, and posting alleged evidence online. DW's fact-checking team has investigated some of this supposed evidence.
"I'm a Nazi. I’m a Nazi,” said one of the men, Aleksei Milchakov, who was the main focus of the video published on a Russian nationalist YouTube channel. “I'm not going to go deep and say, I’m a nationalist, a patriot, an imperialist, and so forth. I’ll say it outright: I’m a Nazi.”
The Kremlin has claimed its war on Ukraine is aimed at “de-Nazifying” the country. What about the neo-Nazi groups actively fighting on the Russian side?
Your map shows Russia is in Ukraine. Ukraine is losing this war, thanks to your map. Why is the Ukraine government celebrating WWII Nazi collaborators?
Thanks for this post. I am shocked Ukraine is supporting Nazi collaborators?! Please tell me this can't be true. I have not followed this war but seriously, wtf?? Your article states
Ukraine's parliament has officially designated the birthday of a prominent Nazi collaborator as a national holiday, while also banning a book that criticized another anti-Semitic national leader.
There are other posts about Ukraine supporting Nazis. I was shocked also. I have been a lifelong Democrat so this is disappointing to say the least. If you read further down the article, near the bottom, it explains Russia is against Nazification while Ukraine and America support Nazification at the United Nations itself. You can’t write this stuff. It is really happening. Russia walks the walk. Ukraine and America don’t even talk the talk. They are moving towards Nazification:
"On December 17, Ukraine voted against a United Nations General Assembly resolution that aimed to combat the "glorification of Nazism, neo-Nazism and other practices that contribute to fuelling contemporary forms of racism, racial discrimination, xenophobia and related intolerance," according to Tass news agency. The United States also voted against the measure, although 129 nations supported the move.
The resolution was put forward by Russia. Nikolai Patrushev, secretary of the Russian Security Council slammed Ukraine and the U.S. for their opposition."
Thanks for this post. I am shocked Ukraine is supporting Nazi collaborators?! Please tell me this can't be true. I have not followed this war but seriously, wtf?? Your article states
Ukraine's parliament has officially designated the birthday of a prominent Nazi collaborator as a national holiday, while also banning a book that criticized another anti-Semitic national leader.
There are other posts about Ukraine supporting Nazis. I was shocked also. I have been a lifelong Democrat so this is disappointing to say the least. If you read further down the article, near the bottom, it explains Russia is against Nazification while Ukraine and America support Nazification at the United Nations itself. You can’t write this stuff. It is really happening. Russia walks the walk. Ukraine and America don’t even talk the talk. They are moving towards Nazification:
"On December 17, Ukraine voted against a United Nations General Assembly resolution that aimed to combat the "glorification of Nazism, neo-Nazism and other practices that contribute to fuelling contemporary forms of racism, racial discrimination, xenophobia and related intolerance," according to Tass news agency. The United States also voted against the measure, although 129 nations supported the move.
The resolution was put forward by Russia. Nikolai Patrushev, secretary of the Russian Security Council slammed Ukraine and the U.S. for their opposition."
Maybe if Russia is *so* concerned about Nazism they should do something about it in Russia (there are more Nazis in Russia than in every other country combined, due to their support by Putin and the Kremlin).
My thoughts; it's interesting people don't discuss the history, as you claim. That would be a way to avoid how things started, certainly. I read the Guardian article about the Maidan crowd getting violent and it seems like the start, as you note.
I watched some videos of that November 2013 violence too. The crowd was mixed. Many seemed peaceful but they did not hold back those wanting violence who were among them in the crowd. What a shame. It seems like these crowds should have been content after they booted the Russian friendly president of the time to join the EU. They weren't though.
The war did not start during the Maidan protests. The war started when Russia invaded Crimea and supported terrorists in Eastern Ukraine (the same terrorists that shot down MH17). Now you know the truth that Russia is 100% to blame for the war in Ukraine.
Cecci is talking to himself ... again.
Going back to Chechnya in the 1930s, many Ukrainians fighting against Nazi Germany settled in that area. Russia falsely accused the anti-Nazis of being Nazis and relocated them to fallow land with the result that over 60% of them died of mass-starvation. That act is consider an act of genocide by Russia.
And in the current war, Russia has kidnapped Ukrainian women, and relocated them to areas in Siberia, where Russia suffers from a severe female shortage. They are left with no papers, no money, and insufficient clothes to survive in the cold. They are basically forced to become sex slaves for desperate Russian males, or starve and die outside in the cold.
There are other posts about Ukraine supporting Nazis. I was shocked also. I have been a lifelong Democrat so this is disappointing to say the least. If you read further down the article, near the bottom, it explains Russia is against Nazification while Ukraine and America support Nazification at the United Nations itself. You can’t write this stuff. It is really happening. Russia walks the walk. Ukraine and America don’t even talk the talk. They are moving towards Nazification:
"On December 17, Ukraine voted against a United Nations General Assembly resolution that aimed to combat the "glorification of Nazism, neo-Nazism and other practices that contribute to fuelling contemporary forms of racism, racial discrimination, xenophobia and related intolerance," according to Tass news agency. The United States also voted against the measure, although 129 nations supported the move.
The resolution was put forward by Russia. Nikolai Patrushev, secretary of the Russian Security Council slammed Ukraine and the U.S. for their opposition."
Maybe if Russia is *so* concerned about Nazism they should do something about it in Russia (there are more Nazis in Russia than in every other country combined, due to their support by Putin and the Kremlin).
They starved tens of thousands of Ukrainians living in the Chechnya area in the 1930s and 40s claiming they were Nazis. Never mind the many of them had had recently fought against Hitler's Nazis.
Thanks for this post. I am shocked Ukraine is supporting Nazi collaborators?! Please tell me this can't be true. I have not followed this war but seriously, wtf?? Your article states
Ukraine's parliament has officially designated the birthday of a prominent Nazi collaborator as a national holiday, while also banning a book that criticized another anti-Semitic national leader.
There are other posts about Ukraine supporting Nazis. I was shocked also. I have been a lifelong Democrat so this is disappointing to say the least. If you read further down the article, near the bottom, it explains Russia is against Nazification while Ukraine and America support Nazification at the United Nations itself. You can’t write this stuff. It is really happening. Russia walks the walk. Ukraine and America don’t even talk the talk. They are moving towards Nazification:
"On December 17, Ukraine voted against a United Nations General Assembly resolution that aimed to combat the "glorification of Nazism, neo-Nazism and other practices that contribute to fuelling contemporary forms of racism, racial discrimination, xenophobia and related intolerance," according to Tass news agency. The United States also voted against the measure, although 129 nations supported the move.
The resolution was put forward by Russia. Nikolai Patrushev, secretary of the Russian Security Council slammed Ukraine and the U.S. for their opposition."
Same. I am a democrat but never been a huge fan of Biden. This is utter bs though. I had no idea. The UN vote was in 2018 it looks like. That was Trump time. But to back Ukraine at all, knowing all this. Not good optics for any potus. But Biden is pushing this Nazi problem now. Not good.
The US government said Ukraine’s government is a Nazi state. The US government did not say this about any other government in the world, including Russia.
Russia does not have hundreds of Nazi monuments in Russia. That is Ukraine.
The level of Nazi in Ukraine is unmatched anywhere in the world. Ukraine is the only government in the world openly supporting Nazis. Ukraine media admits themselves they are Nazis. Nobody else does this. Russia doesn't either.
The most conservative estimates put the cost for the all-out war by the Ukrainian authorities against all public symbols, monuments and names that are associated with Russia, the October revolution and Soviet history, or left...
You're closely following the living history of a nation bravely resisting an imperialistic war of aggression that has inspired the world when, all of a sudden, you come across a picture of a Ukrainian soldier wearing a Totenk...
Same. I am a democrat but never been a huge fan of Biden. This is utter bs though. I had no idea. The UN vote was in 2018 it looks like. That was Trump time. But to back Ukraine at all, knowing all this. Not good optics for any potus. But Biden is pushing this Nazi problem now. Not good.
You won't believe this. Looks like Ukraine has supported Nazification at the United Nations every year while other countries voted against Nazification.
The UN General Assembly has adopted a resolution condemning Nazism, neo-Nazism and all forms of racism, and the U.S. and Ukraine voted against it, while a few
The U.S. was one of three countries to nix a resolution condemning glorification of Nazism, citing freedom of speech issues and concerns Russia was using it to carry out political attacks against its neighbors
First 'no' vote from Trump administration likely to generate interest following president’s 'many sides' comment in wake of violence in Virginia earlier this year
The Biden and Zelensky governments were two or three votes against a Russian resolution condemning the glorification of Nazism. The NATO nations abstained. The United States, Palau, and Ukraine voted against the resolution. T...
The US government said Ukraine’s government is a Nazi state. The US government did not say this about any other government in the world, including Russia.
Russia does not have hundreds of Nazi monuments in Russia. That is Ukraine.
The level of Nazi in Ukraine is unmatched anywhere in the world. Ukraine is the only government in the world openly supporting Nazis. Ukraine media admits themselves they are Nazis. Nobody else does this. Russia doesn't either.
Doubt people know. The ones that do have the wrong information.
Some things to understand about this thread:
1) Ukraine supporters don’t want to talk about how it started 2013/2014. Then they’ll lose.
2) Ukraine supporters pretend Ukraine’s Nazis are ok. Then they actually do lose. Ukraine supporters pretend Nazi symbols are required for people in countries around the world to fight for their independence. You see, any country fighting for independence should brandish Nazi clothes, according to Ukraine supporters. Worst of all, they pretend Ukraine’s fighting to preserve its 2014-2022 ethnic cleansing fascism is “independence”. Sure, it’s independence…. but to be fascists.
3) Ukraine supporters tried but failed to refute Russia’s rationale for this war. Russia was correct about NATO agreeing not to expand (acknowledged by both sides back in the day, america too) and Russia was correct about Ukraine’s Nazi problem (SMO “denazification”). Russia is correct in its claims. UkroNazi pumpers lost these points and they must resort to insults to cope.
4) Without ever talking about the war or fighting, Ukraine supporters have no evidential standing. So we out them daily for being moral frauds with transient, selective memory.
5) Talking about the war / fighting after 2022… this is where UkroNazi pumpers attempt hide, to pretend they have a voice in this war and in morality. Even there, they lose. Russia is in Ukraine and Ukraine can’t remove them. Losses daily, both sides, both ways, sure. But overall nothing is really changing now, big picture wise. Russia is still there. Ukraine still can’t remove them. Ukraine is still Nazi. They aren’t ripping up their Nazi clothes, apologizing they were wrong, giving reparations to the civilians they attacked 2014-2022.
These are the hard realities.
Many former Ukraine pumpers left this thread after Nazi evidence came out against Ukraine. They can’t stomach posting here to support a Ukraine government that encourages its Nazis. They bailed. The UkroNazi pumpers left over here are war mongers / Nazi fans / racists / or people who got stuck supporting the problem. Now they’re too embarrassed and stubborn to stop and too stupid to win. It’s the bottom of the barrel that remains here. A slurry of sh*t being stirred around at the bottom of the barrel. I keep a lid on it so they ferment together. When the war ends and Russia gets much of the land it controls now, we will kick over this s*it barrel and use it to fertilize the grounds Russia acquires so Ukraine’s Nazi problem does not return to torment civilians based on ethnicity.
The world does not need fascism or nazis no matter how much people like the uniforms.
I had some time to read your posts. Thanks again.
My thoughts; it's interesting people don't discuss the history, as you claim. That would be a way to avoid how things started, certainly. I read the Guardian article about the Maidan crowd getting violent and it seems like the start, as you note.
I watched some videos of that November 2013 violence too. The crowd was mixed. Many seemed peaceful but they did not hold back those wanting violence who were among them in the crowd. What a shame. It seems like these crowds should have been content after they booted the Russian friendly president of the time to join the EU. They weren't though.
The Euromaidan was a success. They re-aligned with the EU yet Ukraine backed Nazis targeted people based on their ethnicity because they were angry those same people held a democratic election in Crimea and overwhelmingly decided to return to Russia. They did this before Russia was ever in the Donbas. Ukraine started an entire new level of problem themselves. The government in Kyiv armed Nazi paramilitary to do this Donbas invading fascism. As a result, they have lost more land to Russia. Tough lesson.
