flu away wrote:
is he posting on other threads? Maybe he died of Corona Virus from listening to the experts.
Great question!
When asked to provide information he/she always weasels out by using insults and name calling.
I seriously don't understand why someone who feels they know everything wouldn't share a bit of their knowledge to help others?
To answer the OP’s initial question:
If the boys normally sleep in the same bed, then they’re not technically breaching the restrictions lol.
jesseriley wrote:
If the boys normally sleep in the same bed, then they’re not technically breaching the restrictions lol.
Pics?
jesseriley wrote:
To answer the OP’s initial question:
If the boys normally sleep in the same bed, then they’re not technically breaching the restrictions lol.
Where did you find the restrictions for this unknown large Midwestern state? Are the rules/restrictions the same in Nebraska as they are in Illinois? How about Wisconsin vs. North Dakota?
You’ll have to use your imagination, this is a welcoming community lol.
Help me to understand wrote:
Help me to understand wrote:
Bump for a reply from
Armstronglivs
Does anyone know if she/he has been banned?
Help me to understand wrote:
Help me to understand wrote:
Does anyone know if she/he has been banned?
Not banned. Bored. By you. I am not interested in being tested by your transparently disingenuous questions.
Armstronglivs wrote:
Help me to understand wrote:
Does anyone know if she/he has been banned?
Not banned. Bored. By you. I am not interested in being tested by your transparently disingenuous questions.
Well, thanks for nothing! So disappointing that when asked simple, honest, questions you fail to deliver information, but at least you were also light on the insults this time, so I guess I've got that going for me?!?
Help me to understand wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
Not banned. Bored. By you. I am not interested in being tested by your transparently disingenuous questions.
Well, thanks for nothing! So disappointing that when asked simple, honest, questions you fail to deliver information, but at least you were also light on the insults this time, so I guess I've got that going for me?!?
I am surprised that anyone would come to LRC - where the half-baked and the uninformed are the norm - to seek answers on public health questions and particularly when it concerns their own health.
But here goes. The issues can be understood at an epidemiological level - and I am not an epidemiologist - and as a political phenomenon, which is observable to anyone following events.
Your questions about how you should keep yourself safe have been regularly answered by medical experts from all around the world. They are measures you can exercise yourself but are also partly dependent on the public health response in your community.
Social distancing is the key. The reason for that is the virus is spread either through moisture droplets in our breath or by our touching contaminated surfaces and then touching our faces - the virus enters through the mouth, nose and eyes. Hence the advice to thoroughly and regularly wash our hands and avoid touching our faces. And don't shake hands with others.
Safe social distancing is seen as being about 2 metres, as the moisture droplets from our breath - and not just from sneezing and coughing - can carry in the air before they fall to the ground. That is the same whether you are standing, walking or running. If you are running with others or passing members of the public then social distancing should apply - 2 metres separation.
If the virus is widespread in your community the safest thing to do is avoid contact with others as much as possible - stay at home. The more people you are in contact with the greater the likelihood you may contract the virus or pass it on. Socializing with family and friends isn't safe - particularly for older people or those with underlying conditions. In a lockdown situation you would only have contact with those who share your "bubble" - those you live with.
However, the degree of self-isolation that you can effectively observe will also depend on the behaviour of others in your community - and that will depend on the public health policies put in place by your mayors and governors.
This virus is not a flu (for which we have vaccines), it is more serious and spreads much more easily. It is also unusual in that its effects are not consistent. Some have no symptoms, others are affected mildly, some are hit very hard - and much harder than a flu. And some die. Many, at a national and global level. I understand that 4000 died in the worst week of the seasonal flu. With this virus we are now seeing over 2000 dying in the US each day. Each day - not a week. Some were young, fit and healthy. You don't know how it might affect you - or your family and friends. It has to be taken seriously because there won't be a vaccine for many months at least, if not a year.
Interesting how people downplay the flu because we have a vaccine. There were 50 million flu cases in the US this year. There will be 1 million Covid cases. There were 20 million medical visits due to the flu while there will be only 300 thousand due to Covid 19. There have been 350 deaths of people under the age of 24 from the flu. There have been 3 from Covid 19. The flu is obviously much more contagious because 50 million were infected even though 150 million were vaccinated. So even with herd immunity of 50%, 50 million out of 150 million unvaccinated caught it. Even the most extreme estimates had no more than 50 million getting Covid 19 without a vaccine. But the biggest stat that the media hates is that young healthy people do not die from Covid 19 but they do die from the flu.
dr Know wrote:
Interesting how people downplay the flu because we have a vaccine. There were 50 million flu cases in the US this year. There will be 1 million Covid cases. There were 20 million medical visits due to the flu while there will be only 300 thousand due to Covid 19. There have been 350 deaths of people under the age of 24 from the flu. There have been 3 from Covid 19. The flu is obviously much more contagious because 50 million were infected even though 150 million were vaccinated. So even with herd immunity of 50%, 50 million out of 150 million unvaccinated caught it. Even the most extreme estimates had no more than 50 million getting Covid 19 without a vaccine. But the biggest stat that the media hates is that young healthy people do not die from Covid 19 but they do die from the flu.
It is easy to bandy figures about - many of which I don't see in the CDC statistics - but your points are wrong on several counts. As we have seen, the seasonal flu does not take a toll of life at the rate we are seeing with COVID-19. The highest weekly death toll for the flu was 4000. COVID-19 is claiming 2500 lives in a day - far more at that rate than the seasonal flu.
COVID-19 transmits much more easily than the flu, and is harder to track. Most who contract the flu develop symptoms early and are then bedridden, which reduces the possibility of transmission. By contrast, many with COVID-19 show no symptoms for days and so it is transmitted by people going about their daily lives, unaware they are carrying the virus.
But an even more crucial distinction between the two diseases is that, unlike for the flu, we have no treatment and no vaccine for COVID-19. We have no defence against it. Nor are young people immune from its dangers, but that it claims more lives amongst the vulnerable and the elderly doesn't make it a "better" disease - all lives matter. So far, we also see that it has a significantly higher death rate than the flu, and as the latest figures from New York are showing it is believed by the experts that there is significant undercounting of COVID-related fatalities.
The overwhelming consensus amongst the medical experts worldwide - and not just the media - is that COVID-19 is clearly more dangerous, particularly when we are still learning what it can do, whereas the flu is a known quantity that we can prepare for each year. I've just had my flu vaccine. But while COVID-19 is out there I won't be going near my neighbors any time soon.
No, it is easier to throw opinions around. You said I was wrong but did not point out one incorrect fact. Most of what you wrote are assumptions and opinions. More than 100 million would get the flu in the US if not vaccinated but the most extreme estimates for Covid 19 with no social distancing was below 100 million infections. How is it more contagious then? The experts made the predictions without realizing anyone with a t0 IQ can fact check. People keep telling you things but you can look up the facts to see which things are correct and which are not. If your experts told you that 100 kids would have broken 4 in the mile if we had a track season, do you take that as truth or do you review the facts? None did it last year so maybe that is not true. People need to look at facts. It is funny how you didn't like the facts that I provided even they are easy to verify.
Armstronglivs wrote:
Help me to understand wrote:
Well, thanks for nothing! So disappointing that when asked simple, honest, questions you fail to deliver information, but at least you were also light on the insults this time, so I guess I've got that going for me?!?
I am surprised that anyone would come to LRC - where the half-baked and the uninformed are the norm - to seek answers on public health questions and particularly when it concerns their own health. Actually since so many people spew their opinions on this matter on this site, and much of it doesn't appear to be based on facts - THAT is why I ask for clarification from posters.
But here goes. The issues can be understood at an epidemiological level - and I am not an epidemiologist - and as a political phenomenon, which is observable to anyone following events.
I was hoping you were going to share what you believe from the experts?
Your questions about how you should keep yourself safe have been regularly answered by medical experts from all around the world. They are measures you can exercise yourself but are also partly dependent on the public health response in your community.
Social distancing is the key. Okay, but there appears to be numerous actual distance recommendations from 3' - 33'. Whose recommendation do you trust and why? The reason for that is the virus is spread either through moisture droplets in our breath or by our touching contaminated surfaces and then touching our faces - the virus enters through the mouth, nose and eyes. I have read numerous articles that mention the aerolsolized version is not as contagious - thoughts on that? Hence the advice to thoroughly and regularly wash (how long and what type of soap is needed? Any reminders that the water shouldn't be left on while washing our hands? What should we dry our hands with? Why regularly wash our hands? Shouldn't there be an actual reason to wash one's hands, like after touching something that may be contaminated outside of your home?) our hands and avoid touching our faces. Can the virus crawl, or move when placed on one's face? don't shake hands with others. How about don't touch others? That seems more inclusive than just mention one's hand.
Safe social distancing is seen as being about 2 metres (I have seen much conflicting information on that - see above), as the moisture droplets from our breath - and not just from sneezing and coughing - can carry in the air before they fall to the ground. I have read that the virus can travel in the air for hours?!?! That is the same whether you are standing, walking or running. If you are running with others or passing members of the public then social distancing should apply - 2 metres separation. Again, so much conflicting data on this!
If the virus is widespread in your community the safest thing to do is avoid contact with others as much as possible - stay at home. The more people you are in contact with the greater the likelihood you may contract the virus or pass it on. So are you saying that social distancing doesn't work? If I'm not within 2 meters of someone and don't touch anyone, how can I share or catch the virus?
Socializing with family and friends isn't safe - particularly for older people or those with underlying conditions. Again, how can that be the case if I do everything you have told me so far? In a lock down situation you would only have contact with those who share your "bubble" - those you live with. So if social distancing worked why should there ever be a lock down
situation?
However, the degree of self-isolation that you can effectively observe will also depend on the behaviour of others in your community - and that will depend on the public health policies put in place by your mayors and governors. I'm not following what you mean with this statement?
This virus is not a flu (for which we have vaccines), it is more serious and spreads much more easily. Define more serious? Why is it that some people have it and have no symptoms and if it spreads so easily, why aren't there more cases and deaths world wide? What would "the normal flu" be like if we didn't have vaccines for it?
It is also unusual in that its effects are not consistent. Some have no symptoms, others are affected mildly, some are hit very hard - and much harder than a flu. And some die. Many, at a national and global level. I understand that 4000 died in the worst week of the seasonal flu. With this virus we are now seeing over 2000 dying in the US each day. Each day - not a week. Some were young, fit and healthy. You don't know how it might affect you - or your family and friends. It has to be taken seriously because there won't be a vaccine for many months at least, if not a year.
Yep, and I have lost relatives and friends from "the normal flu", drunk drivers, someone texting and driving, suicide, cancers, and casualties while in the military.
dr Know wrote:
No, it is easier to throw opinions around. You said I was wrong but did not point out one incorrect fact. Most of what you wrote are assumptions and opinions. More than 100 million would get the flu in the US if not vaccinated but the most extreme estimates for Covid 19 with no social distancing was below 100 million infections. How is it more contagious then? The experts made the predictions without realizing anyone with a t0 IQ can fact check. People keep telling you things but you can look up the facts to see which things are correct and which are not. If your experts told you that 100 kids would have broken 4 in the mile if we had a track season, do you take that as truth or do you review the facts? None did it last year so maybe that is not true. People need to look at facts. It is funny how you didn't like the facts that I provided even they are easy to verify.
Great post and great analogy!!
dr Know wrote:
No, it is easier to throw opinions around. You said I was wrong but did not point out one incorrect fact. Most of what you wrote are assumptions and opinions. More than 100 million would get the flu in the US if not vaccinated but the most extreme estimates for Covid 19 with no social distancing was below 100 million infections. How is it more contagious then? The experts made the predictions without realizing anyone with a t0 IQ can fact check. People keep telling you things but you can look up the facts to see which things are correct and which are not. If your experts told you that 100 kids would have broken 4 in the mile if we had a track season, do you take that as truth or do you review the facts? None did it last year so maybe that is not true. People need to look at facts. It is funny how you didn't like the facts that I provided even they are easy to verify.
I'm not going to argue with you. The points I made have been obtained from medical experts. They aren't my "assumptions or opinions" but are what medical experts say are crucial differences between the diseases. But one point that shows you don't get a significant difference between the two diseases is that COVID-19 can be transmitted through a much larger window of asymptomatic infection - more people can pass it on without knowing. Thst is why it is a pandemic and the seasonal flu isn't.
There are fairly obvious reasons why the world is reacting very differently to coronavirus than the flu - except to conspiracy theorists and those who think they know better than the medical experts. But I get that you don't get it, since I'm picking you aren't a medical expert but have your own agenda, because the line you are pushing isn't what they are saying.
Help me to understand wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
I am surprised that anyone would come to LRC - where the half-baked and the uninformed are the norm - to seek answers on public health questions and particularly when it concerns their own health. Actually since so many people spew their opinions on this matter on this site, and much of it doesn't appear to be based on facts - THAT is why I ask for clarification from posters.
But here goes. The issues can be understood at an epidemiological level - and I am not an epidemiologist - and as a political phenomenon, which is observable to anyone following events.
I was hoping you were going to share what you believe from the experts?
Your questions about how you should keep yourself safe have been regularly answered by medical experts from all around the world. They are measures you can exercise yourself but are also partly dependent on the public health response in your community.
Social distancing is the key. Okay, but there appears to be numerous actual distance recommendations from 3' - 33'. Whose recommendation do you trust and why? The reason for that is the virus is spread either through moisture droplets in our breath or by our touching contaminated surfaces and then touching our faces - the virus enters through the mouth, nose and eyes. I have read numerous articles that mention the aerolsolized version is not as contagious - thoughts on that? Hence the advice to thoroughly and regularly wash (how long and what type of soap is needed? Any reminders that the water shouldn't be left on while washing our hands? What should we dry our hands with? Why regularly wash our hands? Shouldn't there be an actual reason to wash one's hands, like after touching something that may be contaminated outside of your home?) our hands and avoid touching our faces. Can the virus crawl, or move when placed on one's face? don't shake hands with others. How about don't touch others? That seems more inclusive than just mention one's hand.
Safe social distancing is seen as being about 2 metres (I have seen much conflicting information on that - see above), as the moisture droplets from our breath - and not just from sneezing and coughing - can carry in the air before they fall to the ground. I have read that the virus can travel in the air for hours?!?! That is the same whether you are standing, walking or running. If you are running with others or passing members of the public then social distancing should apply - 2 metres separation. Again, so much conflicting data on this!
If the virus is widespread in your community the safest thing to do is avoid contact with others as much as possible - stay at home. The more people you are in contact with the greater the likelihood you may contract the virus or pass it on. So are you saying that social distancing doesn't work? If I'm not within 2 meters of someone and don't touch anyone, how can I share or catch the virus?
Socializing with family and friends isn't safe - particularly for older people or those with underlying conditions. Again, how can that be the case if I do everything you have told me so far? In a lock down situation you would only have contact with those who share your "bubble" - those you live with. So if social distancing worked why should there ever be a lock down
situation?
However, the degree of self-isolation that you can effectively observe will also depend on the behaviour of others in your community - and that will depend on the public health policies put in place by your mayors and governors. I'm not following what you mean with this statement?
This virus is not a flu (for which we have vaccines), it is more serious and spreads much more easily. Define more serious? Why is it that some people have it and have no symptoms and if it spreads so easily, why aren't there more cases and deaths world wide? What would "the normal flu" be like if we didn't have vaccines for it?
It is also unusual in that its effects are not consistent. Some have no symptoms, others are affected mildly, some are hit very hard - and much harder than a flu. And some die. Many, at a national and global level. I understand that 4000 died in the worst week of the seasonal flu. With this virus we are now seeing over 2000 dying in the US each day. Each day - not a week. Some were young, fit and healthy. You don't know how it might affect you - or your family and friends. It has to be taken seriously because there won't be a vaccine for many months at least, if not a year.
Yep, and I have lost relatives and friends from "the normal flu", drunk drivers, someone texting and driving, suicide, cancers, and casualties while in the military.
You aren't really concerned to know how you might keep you or your family safe - there are plenty of useful guidelines out there about how to do that. It looks more like you don't accept what is generally being reported about the disease. Unlike you, I don't see or hear a lot of conflicting views from the epidemiologists worldwide, or what is generally being promoted as safe social practices. I am not interested in helping you to resolve your own opinions or prove the expert views wrong by entering a debate that can only usefully be informed by scientists and medical professionals. I know whose views I trust; you are going to have to work out the same for yourself.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2966659/Armstronglivs wrote:
You aren't really concerned to know how you might keep you or your family safe - there are plenty of useful guidelines out there about how to do that. It looks more like you don't accept what is generally being reported about the disease. Unlike you, I don't see or hear a lot of conflicting views from the epidemiologists worldwide, or what is generally being promoted as safe social practices. I am not interested in helping you to resolve your own opinions or prove the expert views wrong by entering a debate that can only usefully be informed by scientists and medical professionals. I know whose views I trust; you are going to have to work out the same for yourself.
Armstronglivs wrote:
You aren't really concerned to know how you might keep you or your family safe - there are plenty of useful guidelines out there about how to do that. It looks more like you don't accept what is generally being reported about the disease. Unlike you, I don't see or hear a lot of conflicting views from the epidemiologists worldwide, or what is generally being promoted as safe social practices. I am not interested in helping you to resolve your own opinions or prove the expert views wrong by entering a debate that can only usefully be informed by scientists and medical professionals. I know whose views I trust; you are going to have to work out the same for yourself.
Very concerned, that is why I ask so many questions and those questions need to be asked because of conflicting and lacking information.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/prevention.htmlAny chance you could actually answers my questions I had that are in bold in the lengthy message you shared with me? Thanks for your thoughts you shared, much appreciated!