Official 2019 Brussels DL Discussion Thread - Bye, bye to the 5k, Ajee goes for the 800 title, and much more

Bad Wigins wrote:

YMMV wrote:

She ran a 42 final 300m (56.x 400 pace), running wide at the start of it and looking backwards every third stride. She had a pop and smoothness I've never seen from her before. She could have run 57 readily if needed.

It's quite a bit easier to run a 42 than a 57, especially if you're not fresh.

Nope. Not in the context of a 2:33 final K, running wide and looking backwards the whole final 300. In a conventional kicking finish over the final 400, 57 is comparatively easy and I wouldn't dismiss a 56. I believe that Tiru Dibaba had a 56.x finish against Defar in one of their slower 5000 duels where the slowed before the final lap. Hassan is faster than Tiru was over the mile by a long shot.

He will still be 19 for whole season next year, including the Olympics

LateRunnerPhil wrote:

No wonder he got destroyed there.

Wrong, it's funny that you assume that for someone who is world class at 1500 and 5000m right now at senior level. He got destroyed there because he sucks at everything which is not pancake flat, those who beated him actually have much worse track credentials.

Living in Africa does not make Roberston an elite detective. That silly so-called quote is evidence to you? Tell Robertson to come back with documents from a hospital. There is NO WAY a 40 year old human can be the best Marathon runner.

That is not proof (Zane's words).

zxcvzvcx wrote:

Centro has 2016 World Indoor Gold, World Outdoor silver 2013 and bronze 2011, and 2016 Olympic Gold and 2012 Olympic 4th. He is an incredible championship runner. He lost to Asbel Kiprop, the EPO cheat, in three of those races. Remove Kiprop's medals, which you should retroactively due for any EPO cheat, and Centro moves up to silver in 2011 and gold in 2013. I suspect that he was beaten by other drug cheats in other championships.

Agreed, to all of the above, but as a NOP athlete, there is zero chance that he is clean.[/quote]

Because anyone from Cuba or Kenya is not a member of the pure white society.

Increible wrote:

Hassan just closed her last 3 laps in 3,08. That's absolutely other worldly.

Yes, and most of that was thanks to Giday's front running.

it's not scary wrote:

J.I. is too large and too slow

Yeah, 3:30 for 1500 is really, really slow for his age.

Awesome running wrote:

Increible wrote:

Hassan just closed her last 3 laps in 3,08. That's absolutely other worldly.

Yes, and most of that was thanks to Giday's front running.

Gidey is a wonderful runner to behold, elegant and seemingly fearless against the top women. She doesn't seem to have the explosive kick of a Hassan or even Obiri, but being able to handle KK was impressive. I see her as having a huge future on the roads.

Some field event moron wrote:

Who was the idiot who walked out on the track???

An athlete wrote:

It was mentioned in our broadcast when it occurred that it was the Jamaican discus thrower.

Haven't bothered to check if that's correct

Thanks. Whoever it was should definitely be sanctioned for that.

Also, meet directors should take more steps to make sure things like that don't happen.

Jakob ´s treshold pace at 17 was by margin the highest ever measured in Norway.

I agree that Jakob has a big potential in the 5000m (and probably also in longer distances). If the pacemakers had been running at the pace they were ordered to in DL London Jakob could have run well under 13 minutes. I predict he will run at least 30 seconds faster when he is fully physically developed which will take years from now.

His speed and general strength will also improve naturally as he matures physically so I don´t think that you should deduce too much from his current 400 and 800m PB´s.

These times were set when he was still only 16. The 400m was as far as I remember in a youth championship where he did multiple runs (and he had never started from blocks before). The 800m was a tactical race as far as I understand.

But Jakob is probably already way faster on both distances and will most likely improve further in the coming year.

LateRunnerPhil wrote:

Don't forget in 2003 he won the Cross Country junior world title in Switzerland and then the 5000m in Paris, a race that included Kenenisa Bekele and Hicham El Guerrouj, as apparently 18-year old. You really think a 18-year old could have beat both of the two Great's in one race? Age cheating is a massive problem in Kenya, LRC focuses mostly on doping which is another problem but kinda overshadows the age cheating which only gets attention on the yearly World Junior events.

All of those people from Africa must be cheating somehow, since they aren't pure white people like Zane and Phil.

#iamnotaracist

LateRunnerPhil wrote:

You really think that Barega was 18 when he ran 12:43 (17 at 12:55) or that Kipchoge is 34? Zane Robertson provided massive proof that Kipchoge is 40, and also that Geb was older than he was listed. I don't believe any of the birth dates of African runners anymore, just look at the Junior XC world championship where J Ingebrigtsen ran, all these African runners looked MUCH older than him. No wonder he got destroyed there.

Haile Gebrselassie says that Zane Roberson is 13 years old.

+1

People forget he was the age 15 world record holder for 800m before Max Burgin broke it later in the season. I think he only ran one or two 800m since and as you say, the pb he set as a 16 year old was a tactical affair as well as on tired legs likely.

loon wrote:

Coevett wrote:

Jakob probably wants to establish his dominance over the rest at this stage.

Doha will be a different story as we know Tim has a history of failing to perform on the biggest stage without a pacemaker and after rounds.

It's scary to think how much better Jakob will be to the rest by Tokyo. This is Tim's last ever chance to win a global gold.

History of failing to perform = silver at Worlds

You're such a dumb POS.

Yeah no doubt if Jakob wins silver it's the greatest accomplishment in the sports history

Geb set his former marathon WR 2:03:59 at 40 years old (unofficial age, like Kipchoge he was few years older). Yes, neither Robertson, nor me, nor anyone else can proof how old these runners really are, because no one knows how old they are including themselves. Geb was born in Ethopia, in the 60's/70's almost no one there was born in a hospital. How should he have any idea about his age or exact birth date?

Running a fast marathon or 5k at 21 years old sounds more impressive than doing one at 26 years old. Some add a few years so they can compete abroad earlier, and some deduct a few to seem younger than they really are. Junior World Championships always confirm that.

Running fast marathons at high age is nothing new. Carlos Lopes won the Olympic marathon aged 37, and became the first person sub 2:08 aged 38. It's much more likely to believe that Kipchoge ran 2:01 at 39 years old than it is to believe that he destroyed both Bekele and El Guerrouj when he was 18. The training of El Guerrouj and Bekele was ridiculous and their racing experience incredible, no way a 18-year can just show up in Paris and beat them in a 5000m!

Kipchoge himself said in a LR interview that he was 19 in Paris, which is different than his official age. He likely was a few years older and just changed his age from 18 to 19 to appear more credible.

LateRunnerPhil wrote:

It's much more likely to believe that Kipchoge ran 2:01 at 39 years old than it is to believe that he destroyed both Bekele and El Guerrouj when he was 18.

You are an idiot.

Anyone who believes that the Italian-African "teens" are legit is a baby-brained bootlicking moran.

Kipchoge, Berega, Rhonex, Kwemoi, all in their 20s when they broke into the world scene. All doped to the dorsals.

Kipchoge might be 37 maybe but not 40. Let's not exaggerate.