https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fn3Yr-LS_l0&t=1m30sdrquinn wrote:
The amount of oxygen you inhale is not the limiting factor in your performance.
Interesting, this video shows that oxygen consumption increases as the effort level increases. I prefer actual science instead of unsubstantiated hearsay.
facts and reason wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fn3Yr-LS_l0&t=1m30sdrquinn wrote:
The amount of oxygen you inhale is not the limiting factor in your performance.
Interesting, this video shows that oxygen consumption increases as the effort level increases. I prefer actual science instead of unsubstantiated hearsay.
Are you really that dense? 3 does not equal 4, and oxygen inhalation does not equal oxygen consumption. These are basic concepts.
drquinn wrote:
oxygen inhalation does not equal oxygen consumption.
Where did I say oxygen inhalation is equal to oxygen consumption? You are making a strawman fallacy.
There's definitely a correlation between elevated oxygen use and an elevated breathing rate.
No one here has explained how a smaller breathing hole is naturally helpful for a new world record.
facts and reason wrote:
drquinn wrote:
oxygen inhalation does not equal oxygen consumption.
Where did I say oxygen inhalation is equal to oxygen consumption? You are making a strawman fallacy.
There's definitely a correlation between elevated oxygen use and an elevated breathing rate.
No one here has explained how a smaller breathing hole is naturally helpful for a new world record.
I told you why someone can set a WR without gasping for air - because the amount of oxygen you inhale is not a limiting factor in performance. Then you post a study about oxygen CONSUMPTION increasing with effort. You clearly conflated the two so it is no straw man fallacy. Your last paragraph, however, is a straw man.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gakmZFZS1B8&t=2m13sdrquinn wrote:
because the amount of oxygen you inhale is not a limiting factor in performance.
Let me see you run 1,500 meters with an air-limiting mask on. Your argument is false.
Let me repeat again. No one here has explained how a smaller breathing hole is natural or helpful when sprinting for a new world record.
youtube com/watch?v=gakmZFZS1B8
Watch from the 2:13 mark.
Let me repeat again. It’s the amount of oxygen you can transport with your red blood cells, not the amount you get into your lungs. How many times does it have to be spelled out to you?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1x43m-rSevk&t=13drquinn wrote:
It’s the amount of oxygen you can transport with your red blood cells, not the amount you get into your lungs.
Restriction of airflow decreases performance with resistance exercise. This is actual science in the video.
This is hilarious. I win this argument, but my question remains unanswered.
mofong wrote:
Al Sal had a message for Coevett in the Week That Was,
"I think your website has hurt American distance running more than it has helped it. How? By giving weak-minded coaches and athletes the excuse that Americans are getting their butts kicked because everyone else is cheating."
1999, Alberto Salazar, "I believe that it is currently difficult to be among the top 5 in the world in any of the distance events without using EPO or Human Growth Hormone."
https://swiftgirlathletics.wordpress.com/2015/06/06/5-reasons-to-be-very-wary-of-alberto-salazar/Your question has been answered you just can’t grasp it. You posted talks about oxygen consumption in a conversation about oxygen inhalation, an embarrassing gaffe.
Running with the mouth semi-open is not the same as running with an altitude mask on which is not the same as running while holding your breath, but again you are conflating different scenarios with poor analogies. Hopefully you at least understand that and also understand that they would each have different affects on performance. You don’t have to have your mouth fully agape to intake enough oxygen to surpass what you will be able to deliver to your muscles. This is the crucial piece you can’t understand.
Please try to educate yourself, and better luck next time.
The finish tells it all wrote:
Well...then; Coe must be too toasted to do anything like that.
Didn't El G do goofy stuff after some of his big performances? Stuff like dancing and pretending to play the guitar and so forth? Looks like he was hardly wiped out after those big races to be goofing off like he did. ?
Well if the post race breathing test is a reliable guide then Laura must be clean because she is always gasping for air 1950s-style.
drquinn wrote:
Your question has been answered you just can’t grasp it. You posted talks about oxygen consumption in a conversation about oxygen inhalation, an embarrassing gaffe.
Running with the mouth semi-open is not the same as running with an altitude mask on which is not the same as running while holding your breath, but again you are conflating different scenarios with poor analogies. Hopefully you at least understand that and also understand that they would each have different affects on performance. You don’t have to have your mouth fully agape to intake enough oxygen to surpass what you will be able to deliver to your muscles. This is the crucial piece you can’t understand.
Please try to educate yourself, and better luck next time.
What a load of pretentious pseudo-science. Try running for 4 minutes while holding your breath. Never heard the expression - "gasping for air"? You are obviously not a runner. The oxygen you take in as you breathe replaces what you are burning up in your bloodstream - until that is depleted as your effort increases. It's called oxygen-debt. In which case you are done. Or unless you have extra supplies of oxygen in your bloodstream because you are on EPO's. Then you don't need as much replacement oxygen as you breathe. Like Tefera has just shown us.
You=Dumb -Tefera=Smart. wrote:
Its egun wrote:
Either way, drafting off a guy who is out to set a record, then not taking the lead tells me Tefera is a ball-less jerk.
Period.
Ball-less jerk.
But, unlike yourself, he's smart, he ran to his strength, which is sit and kick, and he got the WR and the money.
That's right, it's not cheating to draft...they do it in cycling all the time.
Armstronglivs wrote:
Subway Surfers wrote:
The times run in the last 800m of the women's 1500m in Rio by the top 3 were all faster than their PBs for 800m.
It's called an 'EPO finish'. El G, Lagat and Bekele were masters of it. Add Ayana over 10k. You run a faster split than your pb for the shorter distance. An invention of the modern era.
Somebody say Ayana?
https://youtu.be/WMZdOdriRdkArmstronglivs wrote:
drquinn wrote:
Your question has been answered you just can’t grasp it. You posted talks about oxygen consumption in a conversation about oxygen inhalation, an embarrassing gaffe.
Running with the mouth semi-open is not the same as running with an altitude mask on which is not the same as running while holding your breath, but again you are conflating different scenarios with poor analogies. Hopefully you at least understand that and also understand that they would each have different affects on performance. You don’t have to have your mouth fully agape to intake enough oxygen to surpass what you will be able to deliver to your muscles. This is the crucial piece you can’t understand.
Please try to educate yourself, and better luck next time.
What a load of pretentious pseudo-science. Try running for 4 minutes while holding your breath. Never heard the expression - "gasping for air"? You are obviously not a runner. The oxygen you take in as you breathe replaces what you are burning up in your bloodstream - until that is depleted as your effort increases. It's called oxygen-debt. In which case you are done. Or unless you have extra supplies of oxygen in your bloodstream because you are on EPO's. Then you don't need as much replacement oxygen as you breathe. Like Tefera has just shown us.
+1
"drquinn" got put to shame on that one. He/she has got to be a troll surfing the discussion forums for running doping threads.
Subway Surfers wrote:
The finish tells it all wrote:
Well...then; Coe must be too toasted to do anything like that.
Didn't El G do goofy stuff after some of his big performances? Stuff like dancing and pretending to play the guitar and so forth? Looks like he was hardly wiped out after those big races to be goofing off like he did. ?
Well if the post race breathing test is a reliable guide then Laura must be clean because she is always gasping for air 1950s-style.
Well...the lass was completely toasted showing signs of respiratory distress after that NR mile performance. I take it you're a wee bit suspicious of her? ?
Subway Surfers wrote:
mofong wrote:
Al Sal had a message for Coevett in the Week That Was,
"I think your website has hurt American distance running more than it has helped it. How? By giving weak-minded coaches and athletes the excuse that Americans are getting their butts kicked because everyone else is cheating."
1999, Alberto Salazar, "I believe that it is currently difficult to be among the top 5 in the world in any of the distance events without using EPO or Human Growth Hormone."
https://swiftgirlathletics.wordpress.com/2015/06/06/5-reasons-to-be-very-wary-of-alberto-salazar/
Salazar actually said something like that? That's unbelievable coming from a renowned coach like him. Imagine if Canova said something like that.
Don't look under my Kilt wrote:
Subway Surfers wrote:
Well if the post race breathing test is a reliable guide then Laura must be clean because she is always gasping for air 1950s-style.
Well...the lass was completely toasted showing signs of respiratory distress after that NR mile performance. I take it you're a wee bit suspicious of her? ?
No I didn’t mean that, she is always dying of oxygen deprivation post race, the inverse of Berega .
Can't Believe What I'm Hearing wrote:
Subway Surfers wrote:
1999, Alberto Salazar, "I believe that it is currently difficult to be among the top 5 in the world in any of the distance events without using EPO or Human Growth Hormone."
https://swiftgirlathletics.wordpress.com/2015/06/06/5-reasons-to-be-very-wary-of-alberto-salazar/Salazar actually said something like that? That's unbelievable coming from a renowned coach like him. Imagine if Canova said something like that.
Renato wouldn't say that, he doesn't think these drugs work on his athletes. Remember they're properly trained.
Subway Surfers wrote:
crazzzy wrote:
1:46.7 for last 800m in fast 1500m after his best years
averaged 1:49.8 pace in 1500m
official PB of 1:47.18 (never raced during best years)
So, what could El G run for 800m?
surely faster than 1:46
most would agree sub 1:45
some would agree sub 1:44
a few even sub 1:43
or 1:48? - because of some momentum?
The times run in the last 800m of the women's 1500m in Rio by the top 3 were all faster than their PBs for 800m.
You think the 800m finish in a 1500m can't be bettered in a pure 800m? Nonsense. The Rio race was slower than the 2004 1500m, but in any case, for sure anybody has the potential to run faster in the 800m than in a finish at a longer distance.