He's running north of and parallel to the Trans-Canada heading into Swift Current. Nothing unusual about that. I'm confused about the rest of what you say, though. Dave hasn't tried a run this long. He has had some success at short multi-day races and some 24-hour races. What is your point?
jesseriley wrote:
Dave has done 257. 7 1/2 laps of a standard track. Numbers don’t lie. Now Dave Proctor has scrubbed the route map. He could get lost in a prairie that big.
My point is that I hope the charity makes millions!
But the running part, every red flag will be noticed.
jesseriley wrote:
My point is that I hope the charity makes millions!
But the running part, every red flag will be noticed.
You're hilarious. So you think 257km (his 260km was on a treadmill) for a 24hr race which is a Canadian record (which Al never did) is not an accomplishment??
What running red flags have there been so far on this run? because you think his ~6:00/km pace on some of his runs is too fast for him?? Look at his legs from the Speed project earlier this year. Most splits 3:30-3:40/km area and he did this over ~90km (of course with rest since it's relay) He has speed, and this pace for the cross Canada run is comfortable for him.
You're basically doubting him solely cause you were apparently involved in Als record run rather than any sort of proof/facts
If Al was your departed friend or family member, you would want the same respect & seriousness with the record-keeping that we want, the same seriousness that I had in ‘91. Sixth place is different from first place, and Al is in first place.
jesseriley wrote:
If Al was your departed friend or family member, you would want the same respect & seriousness with the record-keeping that we want, the same seriousness that I had in ‘91. Sixth place is different from first place, and Al is in first place.
Yes, of course I want all records to be legit, but you're downplaying Dave without real reason. As I said numerous times, Dave holds the 24, 48 and 72hr Canadian records which at one point were Al's so how can you discredit Dave's background? Yes this is his first real attempt at a long multiday record but obviously he is doing well.
It's probably harder to "cheat" these days than 30 years ago with all the tracking technology but in my opinion Dave has been on top of all of this
- has 2 gps watches on all his runs to track data
- has the Garmin live tracker on (although at times i know there are bad connections)
- constant social media shots or video of him out on the route with pictures and time stamps of start/end points each day
- people running with him (i.e., witnesses)
What more do you think he should be doing to not be serious about this??
I have a ton of respect for Al. Only met him once but had a great chat over a beer after a 100km run. What did you do in '91 tracking Al that Dave's team isn't doing? Could you reach out to them and offer suggestions and pointers, since you've already been through this process and it's new to them?
jesseriley wrote:
If Al was your departed friend or family member, you would want the same respect & seriousness with the record-keeping that we want, the same seriousness that I had in ‘91. Sixth place is different from first place, and Al is in first place.
So, I was asked to keep a log. It was a real pain, I admit. Both a bit of “storyline” and many specifics were demanded by David Blaikie, and I think about 95% of the time I complied with them. Of course the names of the crew and if they have a running background (I was the only multiday runner besides Al). Minimum 5 witnesses a day with name & address, but there must have been several days where it was just too isolated.
Times running, times stopped, miles. Start/finish. Al had about 13 hours running, 3 hours break en route, 8 hours night break. Since Dave’s run is so different, I feel I have put forward our numbers.
Special events like press conferences. Al had many acquaintances within the sport who helped us with various things, and of course these are important witnesses.
The more details, the better. It sounds easy, but the crew soon grow tired of life on the road.
It’s also not too late to add on the skipped miles at Nanaimo & Prince Edward Island. If Dave doesn’t think he can beat Al’s time, apples to apples (same course), why should we?
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I have a ton of respect for Al. Only met him once but had a great chat over a beer after a 100km run. What did you do in '91 tracking Al that Dave's team isn't doing? Could you reach out to them and offer suggestions and pointers, since you've already been through this process and it's new to them?
jesseriley wrote:
If Al was your departed friend or family member, you would want the same respect & seriousness with the record-keeping that we want, the same seriousness that I had in ‘91. Sixth place is different from first place, and Al is in first place.
I guess I still don't see the point to do things the same way as when Al did it...times have changed. Dave and his crew have contacted the records people to see what they have to do to prove its legit and are doing it. I would think with the increase use of things like GPS, it would be harder to cheat now than before.
jesseriley wrote:
If Al was your departed friend or family member, you would want the same respect & seriousness with the record-keeping that we want, the same seriousness that I had in ‘91. Sixth place is different from first place, and Al is in first place.
Is everything ok? You seem to suddenly be upset about something and it’s not clear to me what has brought this on. I don’t know Dave and I’m not really following to carefully, but everything seems above board to me. If you have some specific concerns perhaps you could just mention them?
If it helps, I can’t see anybody ever saying a bad word about Al. If it helps further, Al ran the other direction so he will clearly maintain that record regardless of what Dave does. Hope you are well.
I have to speak for several others who just want a fair shake.
Before Al there was Terry Fox. They used to show me his name in the City Hall log books. It had only been 10 years then.
These young guys I’m sure will get it together & be a little more serious. We all will benefit on the end, and Dave has next summer to try again if there are any problems. Nothing builds strength like these long runs, but few know that.
jesseriley wrote:
I have to speak for several others who just want a fair shake.
Before Al there was Terry Fox. They used to show me his name in the City Hall log books. It had only been 10 years then.
These young guys I’m sure will get it together & be a little more serious. We all will benefit on the end, and Dave has next summer to try again if there are any problems. Nothing builds strength like these long runs, but few know that.
You seem to speak in code or something half the time. Will you just clearly say whatever it is you’re trying to say?
Another early start on the prairie. Looks like he'll get almost to Moose Jaw today, maybe Regina by tomorrow, which is what his website estimates.
I noticed they've taken down the detailed chart of estimated mileage and stops. That's probably wise as Dave focuses on how he feels day-to-day, rather than trying to keep to what was a pretty optimistic schedule.
I will say this: the head-to-head match-up with Al, including the height, weight, training pace stats page like you might see for a 1970s-era prize fight, is a little odd. So too is referring to his "record-breaking daily 108km runs." Maybe they should reserve that record breaking term for when/if he betters Al's 72 days?
Sure, and fresh as a daisy Day 1, he couldn’t match Al on the run to Nanaimo (that Al did at the end of his run). It’s certainly not too late to make up the distance.
Many will never believe non-gps events of the past regardless .
Did Al go to Charlottetown? I looked at Terry Fox's route and noticed he took the ferry to PEI (no bridge then, nor was there when Al ran) and ran to the capital. The reason I was looking for Dave's detailed schedule was to see if he planned to run across the bridge maybe--would actually make up a little for not going to Nanaimo. Did Fonyo go to Nanaimo or just run from Swartz Bay to Victoria?
Bonus question: what do you call a jogger from Duncan?
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Did Al go to Charlottetown? I looked at Terry Fox's route and noticed he took the ferry to PEI (no bridge then, nor was there when Al ran) and ran to the capital. The reason I was looking for Dave's detailed schedule was to see if he planned to run across the bridge maybe--would actually make up a little for not going to Nanaimo. Did Fonyo go to Nanaimo or just run from Swartz Bay to Victoria?
Bonus question: what do you call a jogger from Duncan?
from the original itinerary Dave sent me, he was planning to end in St. Johns but that was months ago so who knows the schedule now.
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jesseriley wrote:
I have to speak for several others who just want a fair shake.
Before Al there was Terry Fox. They used to show me his name in the City Hall log books. It had only been 10 years then.
These young guys I’m sure will get it together & be a little more serious. We all will benefit on the end, and Dave has next summer to try again if there are any problems. Nothing builds strength like these long runs, but few know that.
You seem to speak in code or something half the time. Will you just clearly say whatever it is you’re trying to say?
yeah, I don't know what you are getting it. You say Dave isn't a great runner, not serious about this run, etc... but how is he not being serious and fair about this run?
This has been planned for 2 years, he's taking every precaution to make sure this would qualify as a record if he does it and above all, he is doing this for his son who has a rare disease. You think he'd risk cheating or something at the expense of his son?
I'll also add that I know Dave has the utmost respect for Al. Before doing this run he reached out to other transcontinental runners and also some of Al's friends as well to ask about the experience. If he does break the record, it's not disrespectful to Al. Records are there to be broken but seems you're taking this way too personally
Dave is not Al and you are mad? wrote:
jesseriley wrote:
I have to speak for several others who just want a fair shake.
Before Al there was Terry Fox. They used to show me his name in the City Hall log books. It had only been 10 years then.
These young guys I’m sure will get it together & be a little more serious. We all will benefit on the end, and Dave has next summer to try again if there are any problems. Nothing builds strength like these long runs, but few know that.
You seem to speak in code or something half the time. Will you just clearly say whatever it is you’re trying to say?
I can’t tell if it’s a guy suffering from the beginnings of an age related neurological disease or if he is drunk. The bizarre cryptic nonsensical messages could be either one. I want to feel sorry for the guy, as something seems to be off with him, but who knows.
Absolutely, since Al didn’t have the bridge to PEI, that’s a great way to make up the distance.