Olympic and world champion Asbel Kiprop has tested positive

El Keniano wrote:

Alternate theories wrote:

So here are two theories as to why Kenyans are getting busted and western white guys aren't.

1. White guys have better access to labs/private testing/info about microdosing/tipoffs about OOC test visits

2. Only black guys are doping.

Hmm. Wonder which I'd pick?

OOC testing in Kenya is BETTER than in Europe or America!

Coevett doesn't believe that though.

Coevett wrote:

rojo wrote:

bingo. nailed it.

And even in the unlikely event that El G was clean, he benefitted indirectly from having training partners and even pacemakers who we know for certain were not clean. We can say for sure that his times were at least partly the result of North African cheating, even if he was himself (unlikely) clean.

The last 25 years of middle-distance running has been a sham. The victims are the few elite runners who were likely clean, as well as the fans of the sport.

It's not a large leap to assume this is sham is the case for all running events including the marathon. Many such as I have stopped believing in what we see at elite level, the sport is dead.

where's all the rojo comments?!

if this was farah or rupp or centro he'd be giddily chiming in every 45 seconds

Where is Renato? Renato? You there?

Paging Coach Canova?

Not surprised. It's been a while since I've been on a soapbox about doping on this forum, but feeling more vindicated the more that gets revealed.

Doping isn't a Kenyan problem, it's a sport problem. This thread doesn't need to derail itself deflecting accusations to one country or another. US has a problem, Kenya has a problem, (Japan doesn't have a problem...). But dopers need to be caught. Nothing more than that.

Kick out the Rosas, maintain OOC in Kenya, get rid of the hero-worship attitude that leads to blindness and naivete. Create economic opportunities for runners so there is less incentive to dope to succeed.

Fentrekker wrote:

agip wrote:

F this sport. I've had it.

+1

People always say this when a high-profile runner gets nailed for dope. Then the dust settles after awhile and all is well & good with the fans. Lets face it...there's quite a bit of doping going on in this sport from rocket fuel, transfusions & growth hormones to TUE doping...nothing new there. It shouldn't shock anyone when one of the fastest of the fast slips up and gets popped. ?

The Geomathematician wrote:

Where is Renato? Renato? You there?

Paging Coach Canova?

...and where is rekrunner? rekrunner? You there?

Paging rekrunner?

Doped to the Max wrote:

...and where is rekrunner? rekrunner? You there?

Paging rekrunner?

I can't wait to read his posts.

Doped to the Max wrote:

The Geomathematician wrote:

Where is Renato? Renato? You there?

Paging Coach Canova?

...and where is rekrunner? rekrunner? You there?

Paging rekrunner?

Crickets chirping. Does anyone here crickets chirping?

Fentrekker wrote:

agip wrote:

F this sport. I've had it.

+1

+1

Clerk wrote:

Not surprised. It's been a while since I've been on a soapbox about doping on this forum, but feeling more vindicated the more that gets revealed.

Doping isn't a Kenyan problem, it's a sport problem. This thread doesn't need to derail itself deflecting accusations to one country or another. US has a problem, Kenya has a problem, (Japan doesn't have a problem...). But dopers need to be caught. Nothing more than that.

Kick out the Rosas, maintain OOC in Kenya, get rid of the hero-worship attitude that leads to blindness and naivete. Create economic opportunities for runners so there is less incentive to dope to succeed.

+1

TheDopeTruth wrote:

Boots. wrote:

It's a truism that the doped athletes are the gold medal winners and that doping works .

Do we seriously believe Geb and Bekele were clean?

Most smart and elites know they are doped.

You may be surprised to learn how uninformed many elites are. I've heard several say some shockingly ignorant things about other elites for whom their only basis of knowledge is the results sheet.

Banana Bread wrote:

Doped to the Max wrote:

...and where is rekrunner? rekrunner? You there?

Paging rekrunner?

Crickets chirping. Does anyone here crickets chirping?

Cricket, now there is a proper sport we can all get behind. Only cheating that goes on their is ball tampering with co ck infested sand paper.

It's not a large leap to assume this is sham is the case for all running events including the marathon. Many such as I have stopped believing in what we see at elite level, the sport is dead.

I've assumed this for all Olympic sports for years. Stamina, strength, skill sports - they all have their drugs.

Clerk wrote:

Not surprised. It's been a while since I've been on a soapbox about doping on this forum, but feeling more vindicated the more that gets revealed.

Doping isn't a Kenyan problem, it's a sport problem. This thread doesn't need to derail itself deflecting accusations to one country or another. US has a problem, Kenya has a problem, (Japan doesn't have a problem...). But dopers need to be caught. Nothing more than that.

How do you know "Japan doesn't have a problem?" Others say US doesn't have a problem. Coevett says the UK doesn't have a problem. Some say Australia doesn't have a problem, and so forth.

How can anyone know with any degree of certainty whether not one country has a "problem" and one doesn't? Just because one particular country tests positive much more often than other countries doesn't mean these other countries don't have a "problem." Maybe they all have problem and some first-world countries have better resources for anti-doping countermeasures.

Lets Think This One Through wrote:

Just because one particular country tests positive much more often than other countries doesn't mean these other countries don't have a "problem." Maybe they all have problem and some first-world countries have better resources for anti-doping countermeasures.

Utterly clueless. Your ('get to the bottom of this/enquiring minds want to know') only means of argument is to constantly ask 'why?'

Oh Please wrote:

since typically there haven't been OOC testing.

Yes, there has been.

At Seoul in 1988 John Ngugi established himself as one of history's greatest distance runners when he raced to the Olympic 5,000 metres title. Now the Kenyan is almost a pauper, haunted by a doping ban imposed on him in 1993 and hunted by people he said were "out to finish me".

He was gearing up to chase a record sixth world cross-country title when there was a knock on the door of his home in Nyahururu in the Rift Valley.

It was John Whetton, a British tester from the international governing body, but Ngugi claimed because he was a stranger and did not know anything about the appointment he refused. He was banned for four years.

I'd favor with lock-tight certainty on a positive test, a lifetime ban and scrubbing of all previous race results, along with taking back all prize money and awards.

That was a tongue-in-cheek comment; Japan has a better history.

A real comment: Dopers are fast, and slow. Even though some athletes have easier access, or less inhibitions to dope than others, no athlete is precluded from the possibility.