Official 2015 Worlds Men's 10,000 Discussion Thread

they finished with 13'20

starting with that wouda made a much more interesting race...

All the Mo hate on this board is hilarious. The dude has such an incredible international resume and people still claim that his results are a product of his competitions poor race tactics. He would win in ANY 10000m race situation.

3:28 1500

8:03 2mile

12:53 5000

26:46 10000

59:32 half

The numbers don't lie. Nobody in the world has that range right now. And this isn't even the first time he's beaten 2nd-3rd in this race! Ever heard of the Eugene DL? How many times does he have to beat EVERYONE for you people to recognize how insanely good he is? I'm not a Farah fanboy, or an NOP fanboy, I'm just a hater of stupidity.

Hey guys, I just wanted to apologize for my previous posts. Mo Farah is a great runner and his victory today should be celebrated. And can we talk about that run by Galen? What a guy! Happy to see him representing the United States of America. Keep running, G!!!

ventolin^3 wrote:

they finished with 13'20

starting with that wouda made a much more interesting race...

They also closed in 54.

starting with that would have been EVEN MORE interesting...

You are an idiot, you probably hate life and of course hate yourself! Please stop posting!

It is great to hear all the talks and comparisons.

Great runners will always be legends, and every era we get great runners.

Running championships and olympic races are not about racing the clock. It's more of overcoming tactical opposition and win.

Fast times come depending on the competition.

As far as 10,000m is concerned, there is no question this is Farah's era.

We can argue that his times are far from the WR, but who is closer at the moment?

He has proven he can run a race from the front, he has proven he can overcome whatever tactics the opposition throw at him. He is resilient, tough, and there is no 10,000m runner now who can close at his speed.

The match up was great. We have seen how Kamworor and Bidan could rip apart a cross country field. We know how Tanui's 10,000m resume is. He is one of best 10,000m runners based in Japan.

Let's appreciate to have someone like Farah around. Someone who makes us remember the great days of Kenenisa, Geb, Tergat and Sihine.

The fact that we spend time comparing him with the greats means he is not far from the greats.

Cheers!

How do you not mention Viren, zatopek, or Kuts when ranking greatest ever? Do you just not know your history?

rupp-certifed saldbar wrote:

10,000 GOAT top 5

1. KB

2. Geb

3. Tergat

4. Sihene

5. Farah

Anyone putting Farah higher on that list is probably a millennial or senile, therefore not remembering that the 10,000 used to actually feature the "world's best long distance" runners.

We are now in the weakest period the event has ever seen. Just look at the yearly world-bests at the runners picking up medals. (RUPP?!)

The fact that Mutai, Kiprop, Kipchoge, Kimetto etc etc etc never bothered to legitimately attempt the distance says it all.

Soft golds in a soft era.

That era is lasting a long time

Paul Tergat was beaten into 3rd in the world champs by a past his best Skah who never came close to breaking 27. Tergat also did nothing over 5,000m at world championship level

Sihene probably finished 2nd in his schools xc

Of course all the talent has moved to the marathon

How did the Kenyans do there this time!

why say this? wrote:

ventolin^3 wrote:

they finished with 13'20

starting with that wouda made a much more interesting race...

They also closed in 54

starting with that would have been EVEN MORE interesting...

no

no one woud ever ask for that

the kenyans managed ~ 26'51 pace for last 9200m

not good enough

they were given 10000m to work with & shoud have used every mm of it not just semi-use of 9200m

For me it's dicey comparing PRs and WRs across eras. My working assumption (best guess, obviously don't know for sure) is that EPO doping protocols were at their extreme during the Geb/Tergat/Bekele era, done with more impunity due to either complete lack of or highly ineffective testing. Now, microdosing is necessary which one would think is probably not as powerful.

So the fact Farah does not have a PR as fast as some of those in the previous doping era is not necessarily meaningful to me, but obviously YMMV.

Beyond that, I also have to think the temp, humidity, and whatever the smog level was during the 10000m today in Beijing makes it difficult to compare results against other championships held in cooler/drier weather. I know there are calculators out there that attempt to adjust for the effects of temp/humidity, but how reliable are they?

Just as an aside, when competing in my younger days, heat and humidity both seriously compromised my performances. Humidity affected me more, though, not just because of the heat index effect, but even as a non-asthmatic I simply couldn't breathe as well. Add air with some smog content into the mix like Beijing and it makes things more difficult to judge yet.

Old Man Winter wrote:

Which would you rather have?

A. 26:27 10k PR and 0 world 10k titles

B. 26:46 10k PR and 3 world 10k titles

Everyone who's run 26:27 has world titles.

ventolin^3 wrote:

why say this? wrote:

ventolin^3 wrote:

they finished with 13'20

starting with that wouda made a much more interesting race...

They also closed in 54

starting with that would have been EVEN MORE interesting...

no

no one woud ever ask for that

the kenyans managed ~ 26'51 pace for last 9200m

not good enough

they were given 10000m to work with & shoud have used every mm of it not just semi-use of 9200m

Well you've moved the goal posts now.

I thought we were talking about the most interesting possible race using splits from the latter part of the race and putting them at the beginning of the race. I still contend that an opening lap of 54 seconds would be unprecedented and, therefore, interesting.

If you want to talk about the Kenyans' best strategy for beating Mo, I think it's likely that he's just flat-out better than anyone in a championship 10,000 right now. No shame in losing to the best. If they'd run hard earlier, he would have won in a faster time.

PrairieFire wrote:

For me it's dicey comparing PRs and WRs across eras. My working assumption (best guess, obviously don't know for sure) is that EPO doping protocols were at their extreme during the Geb/Tergat/Bekele era, done with more impunity due to either complete lack of or highly ineffective testing. Now, microdosing is necessary which one would think is probably not as powerful.

I meant to add that obviously there are different types of doping from one era to another as well, not just EPO. We don't know for sure what Geb, Tergat, and Bekele might or might not have been taking advantage of, and same for Farah.

For world rankings purposes in a given year, Track & Field News demotes times to number three in its three criteria considered:

1. Honors won.

2. Head-to-head records with other athletes.

3. Sequence of marks.

My outlook would be if one is attempting to rank athletes historically, with the wild card of changes in doping practices from one era to another thrown in, times would be that much less comparable.

I suppose you are sarcastic:)

This is a myth that some people like to perpeptuate to veil that their

fast times over 42195m are aided.

Today's marathon made me happy. It is clear that many are off the juice which is reflected in some relatively pedestrian times.

You might want to check your facts.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Tergat

While he ran a monopoly on world cross country (5 consecutive titles) and had 2 consecutive world half marathon titles, he won zero Olympic and World Championship titles.

ventolin^3 wrote:

they finished with 13'20

starting with that wouda made a much more interesting race...

Take away the first km, that would still be a 26:50-55 race. It's not like an extra km at 2:42 instead of 2:50 would hurt their last km that much, maybe a second or two.

Bad Wigins wrote:

rupp-certifed saladbar wrote:

"Legal" thyroid supplementation is a wonderful thing.

No ethics.

It's all a matter of power to weight ratio. Mo has no natural speed and couldn't outkick Matt Tegenkamp at a normal weight. Abnormally low weight made all the difference.

If Tanui could just cut back on those foot-long subs and slurpees, he'd be smashing Farah.

Trubbs wrote:

rojo wrote:

Farah is running in the back. It's just dumb to go 70 and then 65. Farah is just chilling the back probably running more even.

What a coward. Stay up front and RACE. Go with the surges. Battle. Stop sitting in the back.

Lose the race.