These saratoga times are unimpressive.
Tully Runner SR for RPI on this course would be:
174
173
173
172
172
169
169
Solid pack, needs to move up if they want to be competitive.
These saratoga times are unimpressive.
Tully Runner SR for RPI on this course would be:
174
173
173
172
172
169
169
Solid pack, needs to move up if they want to be competitive.
are any NE teams going to come in and take a dump on the atlantic like bates did to geneseo and stl last year?
NE R007$ wrote:
are any NE teams going to come in and take a dump on the atlantic like bates did to geneseo and stl last year?
Where did Bates finish at nationals?
meow quack wrote:
NE R007$ wrote:are any NE teams going to come in and take a dump on the atlantic like bates did to geneseo and stl last year?
Where did Bates finish at nationals?
Pick me, I know! Behind Geneseo...and only ten points in from of SLU...
wait so ahead of slu? and didnt jennyseeyoe lose everyone?
You got served wrote:
Pick me, I know! Behind Geneseo...and only ten points in from of SLU...
Both of those teams were miles ahead of any teams in the region this year...
Just going to make it that much more embarrassing when they do it to Bates all over again this year.
thinkboutot wrote:
wait so ahead of slu? and didnt jennyseeyoe lose everyone?
U of R wrote:
Looks like everyone who gave me crap for talking up U of R last weekend was an idiot, doesn't it? Only 10 points behind Geneseo. Beating Cortland. Told you so.
No - you're still an idiot (nice guy but no comprehension). It was obvious that Geneseo was not running all out and UR was. You need to look at the whole picture before you make rash statements. Since you are probably a U of R guy, I understand your enthusiasm - they are a pretty good team.
alum too wrote:
No - you're still an idiot (nice guy but no comprehension). It was obvious that Geneseo was not running all out and UR was. You need to look at the whole picture before you make rash statements. Since you are probably a U of R guy, I understand your enthusiasm - they are a pretty good team.
Geneseo may not have been running all out, but the post said that both Cortland and Geneseo ran the race as a workout, which simply isn't true. Cortland lost to U of R fair and square; it's insulting to other teams to assume that the better ones aren't trying (and without evidence).
by better, I meant more highly ranked. as cortland clearly isn't "better" -- they seem to be about equal to U of R at this point in the season.
U of R wrote:
by better, I meant more highly ranked. as cortland clearly isn't "better" -- they seem to be about equal to U of R at this point in the season.
Talk to anyone from Cortland - they had a race plan that included that they not run all out. U of R clearly did run all out - therefore, Cortland did not lose to U of R "fair and square." Don't know about Geneseo but from looking at the 2k, 4k 6k and finish splits, they, too, had a plan not to go all out. Alum's observation was just that - an observation. No insult intended to anyone as I see it.
say what!! wrote:
U of R wrote:by better, I meant more highly ranked. as cortland clearly isn't "better" -- they seem to be about equal to U of R at this point in the season.
Talk to anyone from Cortland - they had a race plan that included that they not run all out. U of R clearly did run all out - therefore, Cortland did not lose to U of R "fair and square." Don't know about Geneseo but from looking at the 2k, 4k 6k and finish splits, they, too, had a plan not to go all out. Alum's observation was just that - an observation. No insult intended to anyone as I see it.
"not all out." "workout." Semantics really. Way too early to judge who's the better teams. 2 months till we're back at the U of R. Chill boys, Chill!
say what!! wrote:
Talk to anyone from Cortland - they had a race plan that included that they not run all out. U of R clearly did run all out - therefore, Cortland did not lose to U of R "fair and square." Don't know about Geneseo but from looking at the 2k, 4k 6k and finish splits, they, too, had a plan not to go all out. Alum's observation was just that - an observation. No insult intended to anyone as I see it.
What a cop out. Cortland lost to UofR by the rules of cross country. They held a race, scored the race, and UofR won. I don't care if Cortland used the Gallowalk method; they showed up at the park, pinned on numbers, spiked up, and ran a race.
If you look at the splits, from leonetiming.
Top 5 Finisher - First 4k Splits Average
Geneseo - 13:32
Rochester - 12:56
Cortland - 13:13
Last 4k Split
Geneseo - 12:32
Rochester - 13:10
Cortland - 12:54
Eyeballing the splits, fastest last 4k from a d3 runner was Brimstein from Geneseo in 12:19.
AtlantisRegion wrote:
If you look at the splits, from leonetiming.
Top 5 Finisher - First 4k Splits Average
Geneseo - 13:32
Rochester - 12:56
Cortland - 13:13
Last 4k Split
Geneseo - 12:32
Rochester - 13:10
Cortland - 12:54
Eyeballing the splits, fastest last 4k from a d3 runner was Brimstein from Geneseo in 12:19.
But you also see that Rochester and Cortland averaged pretty much the same splits, just in reverse. I don't understand why people don't get this -- just because Cortland revved it up throughout the race gradually doesn't mean they didn't "race" it. They clearly ran hard; usinga different strategy for essentially the same result doesn't mean you ran less hard. Maybe smarter, but not less hard.
And again, Geneseo OBVIOUSLY went out easier. But cortland averaging 13:13/12:54 just means they negative split, speeding up each 2k as said before. Maybe they were supposed to "take it easy" but I think its clear they raced it. Race plan and execution aren't always the same thing.
Rochester runners, you went after it at your own course, congratulations. Everyone is so pumped you "attempted" to run fast mid September to prove a point.. but whats the point? So you moved up in the region 1 spot, nice work! You guys can't even tell me you didn't go for it from the gun cause you were all strung the hell out by mile 2 and had pain face on by the 6k. Geneseo and Cortland ran in large packed groups, most of them talking to each other, and then decided start actually running and still beat most of your top guys. Get over yourselves, Sincerely the teams that workout in September and will actually race when it matters.
Is it actually true that the Atlantic region is disbanding next year and being split up into the New England Region and Great Lakes Region?
Ra Cha Cha wrote:
Rochester runners, you went after it at your own course, congratulations. Everyone is so pumped you "attempted" to run fast mid September to prove a point.. but whats the point? So you moved up in the region 1 spot, nice work! You guys can't even tell me you didn't go for it from the gun cause you were all strung the hell out by mile 2 and had pain face on by the 6k. Geneseo and Cortland ran in large packed groups, most of them talking to each other, and then decided start actually running and still beat most of your top guys. Get over yourselves, Sincerely the teams that workout in September and will actually race when it matters.
I'm not sure who you think you're talking to, as I do not CURRENTLY run for Rochester. Also, no one was arguing that U of R's guys didn't run all out, so congrats on proving a point that wasn't in any doubt.
Any reasonable person who looks at the historical performance of UR over the last 5 or so years will see that they are one of (if not the best) performers at Districts relative to their performance throughout the season. I for one will be looking for them to be a top 20 team (at least) by the time of Districts/Nationals.
