Heard 1 out of every 6 entry in the meet is from Wisconsin! :)
Thank the WIAC for that, haha.
I think the nationals selection is fine - they base A LOT off of the last time in the year prior, which I think makes sense. I agree though that they probably she up the total number of athletes so they fill the track in each event.
Why do you think there are so many more women that double compared to men? I think that's very interesting.
run4fun247365 wrote:
Heard 1 out of every 6 entry in the meet is from Wisconsin! :)
Thank the WIAC for that, haha.
I think the nationals selection is fine - they base A LOT off of the last time in the year prior, which I think makes sense. I agree though that they probably she up the total number of athletes so they fill the track in each event.
Why do you think there are so many more women that double compared to men? I think that's very interesting.
they don't base A LOT off the last time in the prior year. that's way down the list of priorities.
and if they add athletes to the meet, it will not be to fill the track. they exceed the field minmums every time in every event.
and more women double because more women are high enough on multiple lists to do so. not as many men can qualify in multiple events, so doubling is not an option.
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John Mering from Pamona Pitzer will win the 1500
Benton injured his ankle during a volleyball class he was taking several weeks ago.
So back to the mens team scores do you think that mcmurry and stop the cardnial sweep? Or is north central to strong?
You're crazy if you don't have Yochum from Amherst in your top 3 for the 1500. He just ripped two seconds off of his 800 PR at the Oneonta meet and has run 3:50 and 3:48 this season. He was also runner-up for the mile indoors this year. Why wouldn't he medal?
And to go to the question of women doubling more vs. men, I think someone touched on it, but a consistent thing in athletics on the D3 level (and maybe up to DI...haven't though of it much) is that it seems to be much easier to be a top girl than to be a top guy. It seems the competition is slimmer on the women's side and so if you're a top talent, a double isn't out of the question because there probably won't be too many others that can touch you and contend to push you out of medals. Once it fleshes out more, I'm sure the number of doubles will even out in both sexes.
I don't know how anyone can go against Mike Spain, at least in the 10k. After having mono indoors he's been absolutely dominant. He tripled in his conference meet, then came back 5 days later and autoed in the 5k. I think last week he hit 3:56 or so out of a slow heat of the 15.
Another note: Jenny Schaer looked horrible in the 5k. From the gun she tried to lead and just had nothing. So to say she'll be at the top in the 10k seems like a stretch right now, especially since her fast time came so early in the season.
Dark horse in the 5k - Ryan O'Connor from Geneseo. 14:27 at Allegheny, then followed it up with a 3:52 at Oneonta. Potential top-3 especially if the pace is slow early.
How about Jesse Faller from Tufts? 3013 in his first ever 10k, then 1417 a couple weeks later. Ran 350 in the 1500 last year and always seems to be in the mix up front with his kick. Last weekend at IC4As went out in 65, 4:28, 8;31 with the leaders and died but still hung on to 1430ish.
I guess this is what D3 athletics are all about.
run4fun247365: "OK, anybody else think this is crazy:
Saint junior Wendy Pavlus finished seventh in the 1500 meters in 4:38.16, improving the 11-year-old record of her high school coach, Amy Farrell, by .51 seconds. It was the last race of the year for Pavlus, a national champion in both cross country and indoor track. While she has qualified for the NCAA Division III Outdoor Championships as an automatic qualifier in both the steeplechase and 10,000 meters and has the sixth best time this season in the 5000 meters, but will be unable to compete due to a conflict with the start of a summer abroad program in Ethiopia.
What would you do in this situation?!? Quite the decision by Pavlus..."
William James wrote:
I don't know how anyone can go against Mike Spain, at least in the 10k. After having mono indoors he's been absolutely dominant. He tripled in his conference meet, then came back 5 days later and autoed in the 5k. I think last week he hit 3:56 or so out of a slow heat of the 15.
Another note: Jenny Schaer looked horrible in the 5k. From the gun she tried to lead and just had nothing. So to say she'll be at the top in the 10k seems like a stretch right now, especially since her fast time came so early in the season.
re. Jenny Scherer, you should go back and look at the list of races she's done this year. I admire her toughness, but it seems like there's no real planning going on. She races nearly every week and doubles or triples at most of those.
The defending champ in the men's 1500, Ty Griffin, totally got the shaft. He's not on the start list, so I'm assuming he didn't run a fast enough time...although I'm pretty sure he came very close. That really sucks. I'd hate to say it...but a regional system (similar to that in DI) would've actually helped someone out here. Or at least, if they're going to run prelims, they could take more than 15 entrants.
staple cheese? what is this, the Millersville invite? Kosta Out
sorryNCC wrote:
Benton injured his ankle during a volleyball class he was taking several weeks ago.
Wow. That's terrible. Hate it for the young man. And I suspect it will cost NCC 10+ points at Nationals.
Ansel Adams wrote:
sorryNCC wrote:Benton injured his ankle during a volleyball class he was taking several weeks ago.
Wow. That's terrible. Hate it for the young man. And I suspect it will cost NCC 10+ points at Nationals.
True, but NCC also has Mike Spain, who they didn't have indoors. Plus their 4x4 still threw down a 3:13.4 last weekend without him.
Shaft wrote:
The defending champ in the men's 1500, Ty Griffin, totally got the shaft. He's not on the start list, so I'm assuming he didn't run a fast enough time...although I'm pretty sure he came very close. That really sucks. I'd hate to say it...but a regional system (similar to that in DI) would've actually helped someone out here. Or at least, if they're going to run prelims, they could take more than 15 entrants.
I definitely agree that they should take more than 15 guys, but I don't see how Griffin got the shaft. He was the first guy out, but he had every opportunity to run faster than the next guy on the list. Two weeks ago, he ran against Mack Chaffee and put up a high 3:51-- had he beaten Chaffee (3:50.9), he would have been in for sure. Then he ran at North Central (which has turned into a de facto regional) and got 6th in 3:53.
I'm not an expert on Griffin, but I do like to look at the links to the meets where guys ran their qualifiers. You may be surprised to see how often the top guys run against each other, and how much it really does come down to beating your competition-- i.e., if you win at North Central, you're almost certainly getting into nationals, because you just beat everyone else on the bubble.
John Mering by 0.02 in 3:53.27 for the win in the 1500.
I was actually there to see him run against Mack Chaffee, who's not exactly his peer competition seeing as how he's graduated. Griffin beat everyone else in that race. North Central was a failed opportunity as well. I'm not saying he didn't have his chances, I'm saying that they should increase the field of runners to more than 15. I found it interesting that the defending national champ couldn't even get a chance to defend.
If you look at the performance list (on raceberryjam.com), times are very close amongst the top runners. Only about 4 seconds separates the top 25. In a two day, prelims/finals format, they can afford to take 24 runners, especially in a field that deep.
Hell, the Olympics does it in heats of 12, so its obviously not too many people on the track.
Shaft wrote:
I was actually there to see him run against Mack Chaffee, who's not exactly his peer competition seeing as how he's graduated. Griffin beat everyone else in that race. North Central was a failed opportunity as well. I'm not saying he didn't have his chances, I'm saying that they should increase the field of runners to more than 15. I found it interesting that the defending national champ couldn't even get a chance to defend.
If you look at the performance list (on raceberryjam.com), times are very close amongst the top runners. Only about 4 seconds separates the top 25. In a two day, prelims/finals format, they can afford to take 24 runners, especially in a field that deep.
Hell, the Olympics does it in heats of 12, so its obviously not too many people on the track.
Since the NCAA foots much of the bill for this, taking 25 vs 15 athletes per event would be a problem. The qualifying precedure could use some improvement, but bottom line if you really want to go, it is best to hit the auto mark.
I see. I didn't really think about that, the money will get you every time. You're right, an extra 10 per event would destroy the budget even considering doubles and whatnot. However, it looks like they take up to 18 per event (top 18 from the performance list) but don't fill in for scratches. Why not take the next guys on the list? Is there not enough time to notify them/change the entry list?