Didn't they say Otterbein and Baldwin Wallace tied for second? Those results showed B-W beat Otterbein so did THEY mess up of are these results messed up?
Great meet to watch on both sides. The Men are unbelievably deep this year and the women's race was so close with ONU sneaking in WTF
There was a mistake at the line and BW did beat OC by 2pts. Congrats to ONU for titles on both sides.
watchout for berg on november 15th.
check their improvement from this meet to regionals in 06 and last year/07.
this team is gaining confidence at the right time and case looks like they struggled today at uaa.
denison is legit but i question their depth.
only four will make it out of the great lakes again this year and i believe heidelberg will be one of them.
Congrats to the Polar Bears for the sweep.
A much better showing for Heidelberg. It looks like the Student Princes and the Polar Bears are hitting their stride at the right time of year. It should be fun to watch the OAC teams battle it out with Case and Denison for a trip to Nationals.
Thoughts on the regional?
Predictions:
1. Calvin
2. Case
3. ONU
4. Berg
5. Mount
Calvin is always the clear favorite. Case and Northern will battle for second, and I think CWRU edges ONU. Berg and Mount about 30-40 points behind ONU, and less than 10 points from each other.
I disagree with those predictions. I think Case is faltering a bit. If you look where they placed yesterday in the conference it was not impressive, 5th behind 3 ranked and 1 UNRANKED team, shows this team might be having some late season issues. Also, 'Berg ran probably the race of their season yesterday. I say it takes alot for them to do it again. I think alot depends if Lasch can perform like he did yesterday as well as Martin. Mount had an off day from one of their guys and it hurt them. They ran terrific on the otterbein course a month ago and it wouldnt surprise me if they ran like that again.
Predictions:
1. Calvin
2. ONU
3. Mount
4. Case
5. Hope
once again only four teams will get a bid to nationals out of the great lakes. only two OAC teams will get in...just like last year. can Northern and Heidelberg make it three years in a row to the 'ship?
Predictions for Regionals:
1. Calvin
2. Mount
3. ONU
4. Case
5. Denison
6. Berg
i think the picture got a lot clearer this weekend. on a course like otterbein (fast) teams like mount and denison are going to prosper while teams like onu and heidelberg are going to suffer. This region will only get 4 teams out leaving the two individuals from denison making it individually and probably only butcher from heidelberg.
I agree with too fast
I'm gonna predict that the top 10 teams will all have the majority of their scorers under 26:00. The regional course should run that fast.
remember that last year Berg was thumped hard by Northern at Calvin early in the year and witnessed Mount drop much faster times than they had posted mid-year on the same course. when regionals finally came around, the berg still got out. butcher, lach and martin can be competitive on a fast course the question is can lemon and saling. there are 6-8 tough tough teams jockeying for 4 spots. this could get crazy.
How much faster would you say Otterbein's course is compared to Calvin's (which I thought was pretty quick).
I think that the Otterbein course is slightly slower then the Calvin course.
This will be a great meet. Here is what I think. The wild cards in my eyes are case and the berg. The berg were impressive at conference. Case has been great all year, but they didn't look sharp at conference. However, the UAA conference is much stronger than the OAC, or any other conference w/ region teams.
What will make this race a great is that behind calvin things are very close. I think Case will be a clear second, however.
My top 10:
1. Calvin
2. Case Western
3. ONU
4. Denison
5. MU
6. Hope
7. Berg
8. DePauw
9. Kenyon
10. Wabash
otterbein's course is .39 seconds slower per mile than calvin, so therefore only a difference of 1.95 seconds, however it will run faster than calvin did last year if its dry, but if its wet, then teams and individuals that otherwise won't make it to nats will get there since when it rains on this course it completely floods and is ankle deep and its a mudfest the entire way. As a wet course Otterbein ends up being 7.53 seconds slower per mile than it normally would.
"Predictions for Regionals:
1. Calvin
2. Mount
3. ONU
4. Case
5. Denison
6. Berg
i think the picture got a lot clearer this weekend. on a course like otterbein (fast) teams like mount and denison are going to prosper while teams like onu and heidelberg are going to suffer. This region will only get 4 teams out leaving the two individuals from denison making it individually and probably only butcher from heidelberg."
I'd like to respectfully disagree about your logic that Mount will beat ONU because its a fast course... It doesn't get much faster than the oberlin course two weeks ago, where ONU defeated mount by roughly 70 points. A fast course should play right into the hands of people like Jimmy O'Brien. I think you'll see ONU roll at Otterbein.
Otterbein's regional course is different than the course run at the invite in September. It is almost completely flat (not that the other one was a hill fest) and should run at least slightly faster than before, depending on the weather.
I would disagree. The course running the same as the september invite is more on par. This is of course because the home invite was a slightly short course. But yes, I would even go as far as to argue that there is a net downhill on the regional course that will be run.
The course runs like this:
1st mile: loop and a half around 2 soccer fields
2nd mile: think slightly backwards version of first mile on the regular course run there. Go up shorter grass hill rather than longer gravel road hill
3rd mile: downhill through the woods.
4th mile: almost the same as the 2nd mile
5th mile: downhill through the woods to pancake flat soccer fields
dry day this course runs as fast as oberlin.
wet day this course runs slower than all-ohio on a hot day.
what are you talking about that is not how the course looks at all. The course they are running is the same as the invite.
are you sure? I heard they were doing something similar to what "cardinalrunner" described but that doesn't sound accurate.