Navy SEALs vs. Green Berets vs. Marine Force Recon vs. British SAS?

5 yr Marine Corps. 7 yrs Navy. 5 yrs total Spec War. In both gulf wars. The only group that all operators were a bit scared of was the French Foreign Legion. We're not scared of other branches, since the worst thing that would happen is a hard beating. A Legionnaire might take you out into the desert and put you in a hold in the ground where no one will ever find you. We're uniformly military war fighters, and so are the FFL, sort of. They didn't seem to go into battle like us. They just sort of group up for cooperative killing. There's a difference. They're mercenaries and murderers and have far less to loose that we do, and that makes them dangerous.

After 65 years of war in the Middle East the U.S. has lost it. Obama is pulling out of Afghanistan in July. Another Vietnam defeat by the United States and we had to pay taxes for that debacle.

Hizballah Training wrote:

Hizballah training is tougher. Those Lebanese and Persian white boys (i.e. not Semitics) have a 5% fatality rate in the two year basic training program. Training is all live fire, all full contact hand-to-hand fighting. They have a superb battle record having defeated Israel in 2006.

Nonsense. It's all show. Firing rockets at Israeli civilians is not tough.

I'm biased being Israeli and having served in elite IDF units. Hardest training is not totally relevant. All of the top units train hard.

At the end of the day, it's results that count. IDF SF units, such as Sayeret Matkal and Shayetet 13 (their version of the Seals) have performed hundreds of missions in and outside Israel. Not one other unit has even remotely the number of missions undertaken by these people, never mind the success rate.

Zioner Cowards use bulldozers, Apache helos, snipers, and drones to murder thousands of their very own mirror-image identical Semetic Muslim sisters and brothers. The Zinoers celebrate shooting children and old ladies in the back in Hebron, Jerusalem, Ramallah, and other temporarily occupied towns in Palestine.

True. Hizbollah has the most success of any special forces since WWII. The average life of a Hizbollah recruit is less than 24 months from the date that training begins yet there are millions of recruits waiting to join the 10,000 man ranks of the world's most potent, deadly, toughest and most accomplished special forces in the history of warfare. Hizbollah is responsible for the Iraq Warlords defeating the United States. Hizbollah is the primary advisory commandos to the Taliban, Hamas, Fatah, Islamic Jihad, and Muslim Brotherhood. Hizbollah helped secure the historic merger of Hamas, Fatah, and the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood. Hizbollah defeated Israel in 2006 with the help of hundreds of brave embedded IDF operatives who risked the lives of dozens of family members who would surely be sent to the gas chambers by zioners if caught.

I dunno about Hizb Allah but I've heard from Iranian students in my dorm that Quds Force has hundreds of lifelong career plants at Dimona, Mossad, MIT, LANL, MI5, CIA, LBL, USSOCCOM, Pentagon, Max Planx, etc.

bak at U wrote:

...I've heard from Iranian students...that Quds Force has hundreds of lifelong career plants at Dimona, Mossad, MIT, LANL, MI5, CIA, LBL, USSOCCOM, Pentagon, Max Planx, etc.

And we all know that there is no source as reliable as an Iranian student.

Air Force Pararescue...End of thread

The US Secret Service, headed by a women ;-)

All do different stuff.

Recon or Force Recon: These guys are the black sheep of the US special operations community. They have the Marine mentality (ie-all hoo'ahed out) and can be difficult to work with. Not as cerebral as, say, Special Forces, and as such don't get the sensitive missions.

Green Berets (Special Forces): Tried and true. Experts at unconventional warfare. Often called America's terrorists. Great at dealing with other cultures, and first and foremost Special Forces are educators and work as force multipliers.

SEALS: Wide variety of talents here. Includes both tier 1 and 2 forces. As of late SEALS have been getting the high profile assignments as the other Tier 1 unit (Delta) has dropped the ball a couple times. Badass door kickers. They bring the pain. Different missions than Special Forces although with Afghanistan, SEALS have been undertaking Green Beret-esque missions.

I hired a Green Beret and a Ranger. This is how they explain it to me. They both had lots of respect for SAS, IDF, and Air Force PJ's as well.

Shaolin Monks are the baddest war fighters in the past 10,000 years of mankind.

I can read you guys like a book. And not a very good book. Certainly not ‘Bravo Two Zero’ by Andy McNabb. Which actually improves with every read."

nothing like a movie script to propagandize a target group for the masses

i got the answer, they dont fight, they are all on the same team.

end of thread.

voters won't stand for a large amount of American dead bodies anymore. drones are the rave now. yeah, buddy! Americans spend $T on smart weapons to prevent fatalities whenever possible. the SFs in the armydelta ins navyseals borderpatrol secretservice statepatrol airforce cia coastguard truancy sherrifs fbi policeswat tsa forestry schoolpatrol highwaypatrol prisonguards texasrangers crossingguards are low risk today. the old infantry soldier outfits are today "very" low risk. i.e. few die anymore. look at the low casualty rates from Iraq & afghan are today. nice job by the pentagon, actually a miracle when you think on it. that's good for everyone. by law the only ones left as cannon fodder are dumb azz marines. you know back in the 1700's congress wrote special laws to allow sergeants to torture of marines nearly to death to simulate battle conditions. kiss the marines bye bye.

I was with BLT 1/8 22nd MEU on the USS Shreveport back in 1993. The USS Shreveport had Seal Team 8, 2nd Force Recon and 8th Marines badass Raiders Platoon. What I witness was an Admiral not happy with Seal Team 8, because Force Recon was doing a better job in preparation for the missions. Of course the 2nd Force Recon guys had More Combat experience than most of the Seals. Alot of us on the MEU were Combat Vetran from Desert Storm. Marine Raider, Marine Recon and Navy Seals all trained and went out on missions togeather. There was no talk about, that I'm better and more deadly than you. They showed respect to one another. Any Man on that ship could be as deadly as the other in a combat situation. So all this crap about who vs who is stupid! We all bleed Red. USMC FOREVER!!!!

omar carrillo wrote:

I was with BLT 1/8 22nd MEU on the USS Shreveport back in 1993. The USS Shreveport had Seal Team 8, 2nd Force Recon and 8th Marines badass Raiders Platoon. What I witness was an Admiral not happy with Seal Team 8, because Force Recon was doing a better job in preparation for the missions. Of course the 2nd Force Recon guys had More Combat experience than most of the Seals. Alot of us on the MEU were Combat Vetran from Desert Storm. Marine Raider, Marine Recon and Navy Seals all trained and went out on missions togeather. There was no talk about, that I'm better and more deadly than you. They showed respect to one another. Any Man on that ship could be as deadly as the other in a combat situation. So all this crap about who vs who is stupid! We all bleed Red. USMC FOREVER!!!!

^This. Contrary to civilian belief, none of these organizations in the U.S. militarty go out of their way to have a d!ck measuring contest. They all have their specific jobs and they accomplish their specific missions. BTW, the Marine Corps still has Recon/Force Recon, however, we stood MARSOC up back in 2006, which now carries out the spec op missions. Recon/Force Recon basically operate with the MEU's nowadays, conducting maritime operations mostly.

They are all tough MF'ers but they all die equally with a single AK 47 round to the head..they just have different missions some tougher than others..