Mary Cain makes more allegations: Claims her HS coach took a perverse interest in the sex lives of his female runners

We say we like one thread per topic but we will let this thread stand and not merge it with the other.

It's not really a duplicate thread. The post from yesterday was about an allegation regarding her HS coach. This is about her pro coach. Most people aren't reading to post #200 on the other thread so we'll let this stand as a separate thread.

Intelligent decision making

Some people get sleep paralysis, where it feels like they 'wake' and see a frightening entity looking at them while they lie there frozen. Salazar might've been Mary's sleep paralysis demon

it depends on her night shirt/pajamas. Some are quite loose and if she shifted in the night (everyone does) then I suppose her breasts could have been exposed.

As in the other thread, more and more she is coming off like those unhinged people who think everyone is after them sexually. More and more unverifiable tales from someone angry that their junior success didn’t continue into adulthood. So she’s points fingers…

Do she is sleeping over her coach’s house topless?

The parents role in the entirety of the Cain Caper is criminally unmentioned

Forget who it was. They apparently were ok sending their kid across the country to a situation with no peers. This wasn't college with a roomful of fellow freshmen. This is into a grouping of adults. A terrible situation to put a kid in without, seemingly, a plan.

as critical as I am of Mary with certain competitors etc, this book was actually a difficult and heartbreaking read. Whatever you think of Mary or her parents and their choices, this was a horrible situation for a teenager to be in. And Mary is SO naive, and SO innocent, and I think she's well meaning too. She just had no idea what she got herself into. I feel like she stepped into quicksand.

She was exposed to so much at such a young age; drug testing having to be chaperoned by Galen while peeing, flying across the country during the school year to stay in her coaches house and having him walk in on you while you were sleeping...skipping classes to be go to Europe and to be surrounded by unfriendly adults...hearing about your teammates getting shots in the backseats of cars, going to weird Nike parties, and having to train with a drug cheat, going to fake doctors who don't diagnose your very real stress fracture, and that was all before he destroyed her confidence and she started her ED.

She was so lonely throughout. That part broke my heart. She just didn't have anyone and she was so hopeful that this team would be the team she always wished she had. It was awful to read about her keeping her faith in these people who just so obviously did not care about her.

We talk a lot about Mary and her parents, but what about Salazar? Why on earth would he choose to train a teenager the way he did? That was on him. He wasn't a high school coach.

this is the most lets run of lets run threads ever.

and not in a good way.

Just like Suzy Favor with her book and repeating bad stuff, Cain is doing the same thing.

Both seem to be seeking attention. Both are mental disorders they were born with then the dysfunction of sport makes it worse.

just as runners, pre super shoes, complain about these amazingly fast times of today……it’s the ego that keeps biting everyone.

I was just thinking that Mary might have bipolar disorder. If she does, that would explain a lot. She could get help for that. She might realize that much of her turmoil is in her head, although perhaps some adults failed her when she was younger.

Mary had a short stint in triathlon. Assuming she had a coach and it was a man, I bet he is squirming right now. He will be beat to death soon.

I'm finally fed up with this sheet. She is wallowing in drama. She's taking it into as many overtimes (5, 6, 7?) as she can get out of it. Alberto is a strange guy, who was doing creepy things to his female athletes, that is true, but this is just too much. At some point you have to decide who is actually telling the truth, and who is not? She could have quit Alberto/Nike after months, or a year at most. But she didn't. Enough.

Oops. accidentally down voted this. meant to do the opposite.

Mary, if you are reading this, what is your end goal? What are you hoping for? Very serious questions.

Incubus.

To put yourself in a victim position is a form of intimacy. You view your world as full of persecutors, who reinforce your position, and the payoff is rescue (in the widest sense, including book buys). Sometimes the victim will act as persecutor to cause a reaction in another, such as complaint or frustration, at which point they switch to victim. It's a game for those who have not learnt or do not trust healthy intimacy: vulnerability - assertion - self-care.

Karpmann's, 'Drama Triangle'.

Never heard of a high school athlete sleeping over at a coaches house, especially a female

Mary Cain's recent Runner's World interview gives her parents a pass on not realizing there were serious problems at the Oregon Project because she claims she didn't tell them what was going on. Mary does not want to paint her parents in a disparaging light, but they were part of the problem.

Her parents were the adults and should have been more perceptive about the potential problems and issues that were liable to occur when sending their immature teenage daughter 3000 miles away to train in the hyper-competitive and aggressive environment of the Nike Oregon Project track club. Once she started to struggle, they should have taken charge of the situation and pulled their daughter out of this toxic environment.

But they were caught up in the allure of world class training and coaching without stepping back and being honest about what was going to work for Mary regardless of her remarkable teenage success on the track. They forgot to understand the person and instead allowed their daughter to be defined by competitive running.

She is clearly still resentful and has not moved past this traumatic period in her life even though she is 30 years old. This will continue to hold her back even though many still feel sorry for her.