These posts are from butt hurt people who assume he’s dirty because it’s way above what they could do. the guy was tested enough to convince me he’s clean. If you think the testers are dirty, or don’t trust the tests, or want others to double check the testers, then it’s a sorry, cynical life you lead. Tin foil hats all round please.
Lance Armstrong couldn't have said it better himself.
P.S. I'm pretty sure he said the same thing - almost word for word - whenever he was accused of doping.
So you’re saying Sawe is doping because Armstrong was? Great logic buddy.
You can't compare the current era with the era ante-Covid.
The new generation od shoes can give a global advantage of one and half - two minutes : one during the competition (the new shoes can "save" the legs, example in Boston when till qo years ago frequently the winners had to go to the final party for the victory ceremony using a wheelchair, and now go to dance...), the other because now is possible to have more volume of training at high intensity, for the same reason : new shoes allow the athletes to recovery better and in shorter time:
But don't forget the effect of the gels of new generation. Till 2012, with marathon runners I personally used maltodextrines that had to prepare personally, with several individual attempts because the concentration was different among various athletes : some was not able to use because acid refluss, some other could instead use small quantity in every refreshment with different distribution. When I asked them their feeling, they told me "after about 15 min I feel like a new source of fuel". But 15 min means 5 km : now the same feeling comes 2 min after the assumption. This mean that athletes can feel the effect of refuelling after 600-800m, and taht's the reason because all the best today have very strong negative splits.
This means that the 1:59:30 is equivalent to 2:01:30 - 2:02 of 7 years ago, and of 2:03 of 15 years ago. This is the reality, the PERCEPTION of the impossible hits people not analyzing the real difference between now and the past.
All they have to do is shorten the course, just a little, changing it ever so slightly here and there and it will invariably yield a faster time. Also, he could be tested 100 times a day, But if he’s not tested for what’s making him run faster, than it remains hidden. London has been hurting economically due to bogus US policies, bringing the marathon world record home to London is huge financially for all involved and the betting is off the charts!!!
Athlete$ get te$ted frequently to ensure blood pa$$port marker$ remain within microdo$ing limit$; they don't te$t becau$e they prove cleanline$$. Lance donated a $300k dope detector to the UCI - $o, what doe$ that say about the purpo$e of te$ting?
Coe'$ buddy, Pre$ident of the IAAF (International A$$ociation of Athletic$ Federations, now known as World Athletic$) routinely extorted ca$h from athlete$ in exchange for doping privilege$.
There are unpaid Master$ and club runner$ doping by the thousand and yet profe$$ional athlete$ (who often fail dope te$t$ due to $tupidity) do not dope just becau$e...
You can't compare the current era with the era ante-Covid.
The new generation od shoes can give a global advantage of one and half - two minutes : one during the competition (the new shoes can "save" the legs, example in Boston when till qo years ago frequently the winners had to go to the final party for the victory ceremony using a wheelchair, and now go to dance...), the other because now is possible to have more volume of training at high intensity, for the same reason : new shoes allow the athletes to recovery better and in shorter time:
But don't forget the effect of the gels of new generation. Till 2012, with marathon runners I personally used maltodextrines that had to prepare personally, with several individual attempts because the concentration was different among various athletes : some was not able to use because acid refluss, some other could instead use small quantity in every refreshment with different distribution. When I asked them their feeling, they told me "after about 15 min I feel like a new source of fuel". But 15 min means 5 km : now the same feeling comes 2 min after the assumption. This mean that athletes can feel the effect of refuelling after 600-800m, and taht's the reason because all the best today have very strong negative splits.
This means that the 1:59:30 is equivalent to 2:01:30 - 2:02 of 7 years ago, and of 2:03 of 15 years ago. This is the reality, the PERCEPTION of the impossible hits people not analyzing the real difference between now and the past.
"Is Sabastian Sawe showing that the sport is cleaner than we thought?"
This is the most doped sport next to untested bodybuilding and we're using an inhuman performance as evidence against doping? You've got to be kidding me.
As I've always said, let them dope. This is an absolute FARCE to be gaslighting ourselves into trying to guess "Who is? Who isn't?"
They all are. Let's just stop pretending the reality is something it's not.
All the Kenyans and East Africans are. You have zero evidence that ALL Western athletes are, and who have a fraction of the incentive to.
Sawe could be doped to the gills and the additional tests are done after making sure the tests don't pick up anything. There's either masking agents or some substance or system that can be used very succesfully for doping. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
Sawe's time is highly suspicious, especially given the way the record was run. He sped up at 28 km.
Only a fraction are beating the rules? Since you don't use "fraction" in the popular sense of very few it is estimated to mean more than half of pro and elite athletes. If they weren't Howman wouldn't be concerned that antidoping is "ineffective".
If he was saying what you claim he is saying his address to the conference would have been that "a few dopers are getting away with it but doping control is mostly effective because most athletes aren't doping. So let's give ourselves and the sport a pat on the back." Strangely, he said pretty much the opposite of that. But not that you could understand that.
I didn't say "a fraction", but "the fraction". There is no wiggle room for intepretation here. "The fraction" is the exact fraction, regardless if its magnitude is small or large. The actual value of this fraction is unknown, even to Howman.
I'm making no claims about what he is saying, but provided his exact quote. Whether the fraction is "very few" or "more than half" doesn't change the fact that Howman very much qualified what he meant by "ineffective", contrary to your claim that he doesn't.
There is seriously something wrong with your reading comprehension, whether it is my posts, or Howman's speeches, or confidential surveys, etc., causing you to draw your own conclusions based on things never said, causing you to argue against arguments never made, not to mention causing you to repeatedly blatantly contradict yourself because you can't even comprehend things you wrote earlier in the day.
Your semantic piffle deliberately avoids the essential part of what he is saying and why he is saying it, which is that antidoping is losing out to the dopers and it is at a crisis level, which is why he made the statement from a prominent public platform to draw attention to it. Your distortions and intentional misinterpretations dont change that.
I didn't say "a fraction", but "the fraction". There is no wiggle room for intepretation here. "The fraction" is the exact fraction, regardless if its magnitude is small or large. The actual value of this fraction is unknown, even to Howman.
I'm making no claims about what he is saying, but provided his exact quote. Whether the fraction is "very few" or "more than half" doesn't change the fact that Howman very much qualified what he meant by "ineffective", contrary to your claim that he doesn't.
There is seriously something wrong with your reading comprehension, whether it is my posts, or Howman's speeches, or confidential surveys, etc., causing you to draw your own conclusions based on things never said, causing you to argue against arguments never made, not to mention causing you to repeatedly blatantly contradict yourself because you can't even comprehend things you wrote earlier in the day.
If I didn't know better, I would say that he is the ultimate Trumper - facts are only a distraction to the narrative he has to follow, no matter what. He is a broken record, whose claims, while consistent, lose value when they are always the same, regardless of facts that might change someone's mind. I'm an even older geezer than him, but my mind isn't so made up that any facts won't change my opinion.
It sounds like a broken record here because the message remains the same, this is an incredibly dirty sport and it is demonstrated every week. But you don't want to hear that. The message from the former head of WADA, David Howman, is that antidoping is "ineffective" because dopers "are getting away with it". There is no positive gloss that can be put on that, despite the ridiculous verbal contortions from rekrunner.
You know the best chemists are always ahead of the testers though right?
If you know the drugs you're taking aren't going to be detected, because they've not created a test for it yet, then of course you're going to invite more testing.
It's the old magic trick: the magician tells YOU to pick a card, to give the farce some legitimacy, but there's no actual jeopardy.
Of course you would, which is why Sawe is as far as I can tell is the first marathoner at or near the top of the world to do so. Also why didn’t Ruth C. have the best chemists, considering she didn’t even pay for a coach you’d think she could afford better doping products?
You have exactly what evidence of this mystery drug/practice?
1. A lot of great marathoners dope. We know because we've been caught.
2. I have no real distance running talent and have always been 10 pounds heavier than the usual distance runner of my height. I was always better at middle distance on the track than cross-country. I ran 2:38 at the Twin Cities Marathon when I was 30 off of ~60 miles/week. I have no difficulty believing that someone with actual talent, training, and a superior body type could run 90 seconds/mile faster than that, just like they have no difficulty believing that a pro golfer could give me two strokes/hole and still thrash me. The marathon is an aerobic event and the body's capacity to develop aerobically has very few limits.
You know the best chemists are always ahead of the testers though right?
If you know the drugs you're taking aren't going to be detected, because they've not created a test for it yet, then of course you're going to invite more testing.
It's the old magic trick: the magician tells YOU to pick a card, to give the farce some legitimacy, but there's no actual jeopardy.
Of course you would, which is why Sawe is as far as I can tell is the first marathoner at or near the top of the world to do so. Also why didn’t Ruth C. have the best chemists, considering she didn’t even pay for a coach you’d think she could afford better doping products?
You have exactly what evidence of this mystery drug/practice?
So you want evidence of a drug used by athletes that the testers haven't identified yet? You think a poster on letsrun will have information that the antidoping experts don't have? What we have been told is that antidoping experts have said there can be up to a hundred substances available to dopers at any one time that can't be detected by antidoping. This claim was made on an Al Jazeera investigation into doping. Doping is way ahead of antidoping.
1. A lot of great marathoners dope. We know because we've been caught.
2. I have no real distance running talent and have always been 10 pounds heavier than the usual distance runner of my height. I was always better at middle distance on the track than cross-country. I ran 2:38 at the Twin Cities Marathon when I was 30 off of ~60 miles/week. I have no difficulty believing that someone with actual talent, training, and a superior body type could run 90 seconds/mile faster than that, just like they have no difficulty believing that a pro golfer could give me two strokes/hole and still thrash me. The marathon is an aerobic event and the body's capacity to develop aerobically has very few limits.
Actually, the human body has distinct limits. That's why it is a "human" body and not the same as any other species - we can't run as fast as most animals and are not as strong as anything near our size. The sky is not the limit. Our natural physiology is, even though it varies amongst populations.
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Your semantic piffle deliberately avoids the essential part of what he is saying and why he is saying it, which is that antidoping is losing out to the dopers and it is at a crisis level, which is why he made the statement from a prominent public platform to draw attention to it. Your distortions and intentional misinterpretations dont change that.
I was focusing on all the things you got wrong.
But on the contrary, I agreed with the core, with the essential part, and everything else Howman said, and Howman's explanations as to why he said it. He says he is being honest and pragmatic by saying anti-doping is not effective enough and some dopers are beating the rules. Anti-doping can do better, with better science, better law, better investigations and better intelligence. Howman didn't say how many dopers are beating the rules -- because he can't. That part is just your imagination.
You are deliberately avoiding your blatant self-contradictions, first saying one thing, only to contradict yourself hours later. You were right to say Howman said "not effective enough" and equating that to "partially effective". The reality is that some dopers are caught, and some are not. You contradicted yourself by denying Howman said "not effective enough" and denying that that means "partially effective", and you were wrong to say that "ineffective" was an unqualified statement.
Your reading comprehension is so poor, you are just not a reliable source to tell us what Howman said, or why he said it.
It sounds like a broken record here because the message remains the same, this is an incredibly dirty sport and it is demonstrated every week. But you don't want to hear that. The message from the former head of WADA, David Howman, is that antidoping is "ineffective" because dopers "are getting away with it". There is no positive gloss that can be put on that, despite the ridiculous verbal contortions from rekrunner.
What do you mean by positive gloss and verbal contortions? I've only quoted Howman, without distortion, contortion, or misinterpretation. Any positive gloss wouldn't be coming from me, but directly from Howman himself.
Which dirty sport are you talking about? Which sport was Howman talking about?
1. A lot of great marathoners dope. We know because we've been caught.
2. I have no real distance running talent and have always been 10 pounds heavier than the usual distance runner of my height. I was always better at middle distance on the track than cross-country. I ran 2:38 at the Twin Cities Marathon when I was 30 off of ~60 miles/week. I have no difficulty believing that someone with actual talent, training, and a superior body type could run 90 seconds/mile faster than that, just like they have no difficulty believing that a pro golfer could give me two strokes/hole and still thrash me. The marathon is an aerobic event and the body's capacity to develop aerobically has very few limits.
1. Agreed. It is not as obvious that a lot of great marathoners dope and get away with it. Of course, it is a possibility, but the greater number of tests and passport data, the greater chance of detection.
It is definitely not true that a lot are so sure they’ll get away with it they’ll triple anti-doping budget for testing them. This is the only time that’s ever happened. Perhaps Yomif will do the same.
Nobody is naive enough to believe that Sawe’s move means he’s 100% not doping. However, the move suggests he is confident whatever he is doing or not doing won’t trigger a positive test. You can read that however you want but the upside is very limited for the amount of exposure. If he is doping, it is a galaxy-brained move for him let’s be honest.
