All runners are competing against other runners. They are also competing in a sport that has a long tradition of competitive running, that invites comparisons between athletes. Almost every thread here involves comparisons between athletes. Without such comparisons we wouldn't know the difference between levels of athletes (and what is credible or not). One of the things the sport has shown is that being a favorite does not guarantee victory. Since I have often seen confident predictions been shown to be false that was essentially my point. Nothing else. I didn't say Lutkenhaus couldn't win or wasn't going to win but that it is never in the bag until an athlete crosses the line. That is what we have recently seen with Hocker and Ingebrigtsen. Notwithstanding his recent victory Lutkenhaus won't win every race he enters - and he hasn't.
I never made a sweeping generalization about how favorites do in competitive running across multiple events. And I didn't say Cooper would win every race he enters.
I only said the gold was Cooper's for the taking. In that one race against that one field. Next time try to stay on topic.
That isn't the topic. It is your topic. The thread topic is his 21.8 flying 200, which didn't indicate very much.
Exactly. And the point of Cooper's workout wasn't to prepare for a 200m race. It was obviously to get him ready for the world indoor 800m race. The workout showed he was ready to take the gold.
Bingo. Accurate post.
Btw, CL’s coach went on record saying he thinks CL is capable of running 44-high for 400 right now. And while I myself don’t quite believe that, I would think his coach would know better than any of us based on his history and experience w CL and his workouts. So, if that’s even remotely true, then that flying 21.8 at the end of the workout was indicative of nothing as far as CL’s shorter distance capability. Which is what I said to begin with. Obviously they know that CL was well within himself on that 21.8. Well within himself.
It is weird the Armstrong has such a fixation with Hocker, mainly because he thinks he’s on drugs.
How does a 21.8 flying start 200 (so 22-mid FAT) show how an 800 runner is ready to win a world title? You are aware that every international 800 athlete could run that time? It also says nothing about whether he could run 44-high for the 400. That would require 20.8FAT for the 200. He won't get near that.
I never made a sweeping generalization about how favorites do in competitive running across multiple events. And I didn't say Cooper would win every race he enters.
I only said the gold was Cooper's for the taking. In that one race against that one field. Next time try to stay on topic.
That isn't the topic. It is your topic. The thread topic is his 21.8 flying 200, which didn't indicate very much.
Cooper's 200m time in his workout preparing for the World Indoor Championship is the topic. The video the OP shared in the first post is titled, "World Champ Workout | Cooper Lutkenhaus' Fastest 200m Ever." That's what I commented on, responding to the OP directly.
My reaction to seeing an athlete who had run 1:42 last year record his fastest 200m ever was that he must be ready to win gold. That's what the workout indicated to me. And that's exactly what happened.
I commented on what Cooper's workout indicated for the World Indoor Championship race it was preparing him for. You commented on other runners. Next time try to stay on topic.
That isn't the topic. It is your topic. The thread topic is his 21.8 flying 200, which didn't indicate very much.
Cooper's 200m time in his workout preparing for the World Indoor Championship is the topic. The video the OP shared in the first post is titled, "World Champ Workout | Cooper Lutkenhaus' Fastest 200m Ever." That's what I commented on, responding to the OP directly.
My reaction to seeing an athlete who had run 1:42 last year record his fastest 200m ever was that he must be ready to win gold. That's what the workout indicated to me. And that's exactly what happened.
I commented on what Cooper's workout indicated for the World Indoor Championship race it was preparing him for. You commented on other runners. Next time try to stay on topic.
Your "reaction" to Lutkenhaus running an unexceptional 200 time is your reaction, not necessarily anyone else's. But to ease you out of your stress, since this has apparently caused you so much, let me say that it must be very rewarding for you that Lutkenhaus now matches Geordie Beamish for a world indoor title. But of course Beamish still remains ahead of him for outdoor titles.
Cooper's 200m time in his workout preparing for the World Indoor Championship is the topic. The video the OP shared in the first post is titled, "World Champ Workout | Cooper Lutkenhaus' Fastest 200m Ever." That's what I commented on, responding to the OP directly.
My reaction to seeing an athlete who had run 1:42 last year record his fastest 200m ever was that he must be ready to win gold. That's what the workout indicated to me. And that's exactly what happened.
I commented on what Cooper's workout indicated for the World Indoor Championship race it was preparing him for. You commented on other runners. Next time try to stay on topic.
Your "reaction" to Lutkenhaus running an unexceptional 200 time is your reaction, not necessarily anyone else's. But to ease you out of your stress, since this has apparently caused you so much, let me say that it must be very rewarding for you that Lutkenhaus now matches Geordie Beamish for a world indoor title. But of course Beamish still remains ahead of him for outdoor titles.
Beamish is literally an old man compared to Cooper. Let’s see where Cooper is in a few years. This all proves that what’s actually bothering you is Cooper himself. You’re jealois of a talented youngster.
Your "reaction" to Lutkenhaus running an unexceptional 200 time is your reaction, not necessarily anyone else's. But to ease you out of your stress, since this has apparently caused you so much, let me say that it must be very rewarding for you that Lutkenhaus now matches Geordie Beamish for a world indoor title. But of course Beamish still remains ahead of him for outdoor titles.
Beamish is literally an old man compared to Cooper. Let’s see where Cooper is in a few years. This all proves that what’s actually bothering you is Cooper himself. You’re jealois of a talented youngster.
Actually, let's see where Lutkenhaus is in a few years. Heard of Athing Mu? But I'm really glad that Lutkenhaus is now on a par with Beamish for indoor titles - but only indoors.
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Cooper's 200m time in his workout preparing for the World Indoor Championship is the topic. The video the OP shared in the first post is titled, "World Champ Workout | Cooper Lutkenhaus' Fastest 200m Ever." That's what I commented on, responding to the OP directly.
My reaction to seeing an athlete who had run 1:42 last year record his fastest 200m ever was that he must be ready to win gold. That's what the workout indicated to me. And that's exactly what happened.
I commented on what Cooper's workout indicated for the World Indoor Championship race it was preparing him for. You commented on other runners. Next time try to stay on topic.
Your "reaction" to Lutkenhaus running an unexceptional 200 time is your reaction, not necessarily anyone else's. But to ease you out of your stress, since this has apparently caused you so much, let me say that it must be very rewarding for you that Lutkenhaus now matches Geordie Beamish for a world indoor title. But of course Beamish still remains ahead of him for outdoor titles.
Why are you bringing Beamish into this? Why are you unable to stay on-topic? Why do you suffer from Tall Poppy Syndrome?
Beamish is literally an old man compared to Cooper. Let’s see where Cooper is in a few years. This all proves that what’s actually bothering you is Cooper himself. You’re jealois of a talented youngster.
Actually, let's see where Lutkenhaus is in a few years. Heard of Athing Mu? But I'm really glad that Lutkenhaus is now on a par with Beamish for indoor titles - but only indoors.
Your "reaction" to Lutkenhaus running an unexceptional 200 time is your reaction, not necessarily anyone else's. But to ease you out of your stress, since this has apparently caused you so much, let me say that it must be very rewarding for you that Lutkenhaus now matches Geordie Beamish for a world indoor title. But of course Beamish still remains ahead of him for outdoor titles.
Why are you bringing Beamish into this? Why are you unable to stay on-topic? Why do you suffer from Tall Poppy Syndrome?
Beamish has as many world indoor titles as Lutkenhaus has. A valid comparison. That's progress for the American runner, even though the best weren't in Poland.
Why are you bringing Beamish into this? Why are you unable to stay on-topic? Why do you suffer from Tall Poppy Syndrome?
Beamish has as many world indoor titles as Lutkenhaus has. A valid comparison. That's progress for the American runner, even though the best weren't in Poland.
Drongo's comment to a 17 years old becoming world champion.
Comparing the number of titles to other athletes - just insane.
Btw, giving only the full seconds for mile times is more accurate then giving only tenths for 200m times.
Beamish has as many world indoor titles as Lutkenhaus has. A valid comparison. That's progress for the American runner, even though the best weren't in Poland.
Drongo's comment to a 17 years old becoming world champion.
Comparing the number of titles to other athletes - just insane.
Btw, giving only the full seconds for mile times is more accurate then giving only tenths for 200m times.
You haven't been on Letsrun very long or in the sport itself if you haven't seen that athletes are always being compared to others in the sport. They don't run on their own.
BTW, I did notice that none of the Olympic or outdoor wc 800 medallists were competing. Is this a "B" level competition?
Drongo's comment to a 17 years old becoming world champion.
Comparing the number of titles to other athletes - just insane.
Btw, giving only the full seconds for mile times is more accurate then giving only tenths for 200m times.
You haven't been on Letsrun very long or in the sport itself if you haven't seen that athletes are always being compared to others in the sport. They don't run on their own.
BTW, I did notice that none of the Olympic or outdoor wc 800 medallists were competing. Is this a "B" level competition?
More proof of his irritation and jealousy of a youngster winning a world title. Disingenuous questions and then bringing up Beamish to boot. lol Guess we’d better remove Geordie’s meaningless indoor title as well.
You haven't been on Letsrun very long or in the sport itself if you haven't seen that athletes are always being compared to others in the sport. They don't run on their own.
BTW, I did notice that none of the Olympic or outdoor wc 800 medallists were competing. Is this a "B" level competition?
More proof of his irritation and jealousy of a youngster winning a world title. Disingenuous questions and then bringing up Beamish to boot. lol Guess we’d better remove Geordie’s meaningless indoor title as well.
Yes, Cooper’s victory has him greatly disturbed. The fella who brought up “Tall Poppy Syndrome” is spot on.
Comparing Beamish’s career, a 29 year old, to Cooper’s career at age 17, is ridiculous. And desperate. Funny too, as it shows some definite cognitive problems and unawareness.
You haven't been on Letsrun very long or in the sport itself if you haven't seen that athletes are always being compared to others in the sport. They don't run on their own.
BTW, I did notice that none of the Olympic or outdoor wc 800 medallists were competing. Is this a "B" level competition?
More proof of his irritation and jealousy of a youngster winning a world title. Disingenuous questions and then bringing up Beamish to boot. lol Guess we’d better remove Geordie’s meaningless indoor title as well.
If Geordie's title is meaningless then so must Lutkenhaus's.
BTW, I did notice that none of the Olympic or outdoor wc 800 medallists were competing. Is this a "B" level competition?
A few who were there:
Bol 1:42.55
Stepanov 1:44.17
Bloudek 1:44.01
Crestan 1:42.43
Attaoui 1:42.04
Moula 1:42.77
Hassan 1:44.25
English 1:43.37
Ostrowski 1:44.25
Pattison 1:42.27
Wyderka 1:44.07 indoor
Strong competition. Lutkenhaus won. At age 17. Great achievement.
Will he win more titles? Let's wait and see.
But none of the global outdoor medallists. The indoor champs aren't in the same league as the outdoor championships. Nice to win but not top of the sport.