Breaking: Unheralded American Ethan Shuley runs 2:07:13 at Osaka Marathon!

rojo wrote:

Are you insane? Have you been alive for literally the last DECADE?

It's called super shoes. Have you ever run even 100m in a vaporfly and compared it to an old marathon falt?

Before the shoes, Kipchoge had run 6 marathons was a 2:04 flat guy. The shoes are worth 3 minutes.

This is a good run but it's the equivalent of running 2:10 back in the day.

And it was a perfect day to run fast (unless you want to say the course was short). I mean of the 15 top finishers who had run a marathon before, 13 of them ran a PB. Ritz wasn't a great marathoner but he'd easily be a 2:05 guy in supershoes.

I'm far from thinking "It must be drugs" when a guy who was talented enough to win a state title in what 10th grade went out and ran 2:07 in the marathon in super shoes in his late 20s. David Morris ran 2:09 back in the day in Japan.

Goethe wrote:

knees_on_borrowed_time wrote:

Forgive my ignorance and I’m not trying to suggest anything, but at the level he is running has he been tested? And if he wants to be eligible for anything in the future, does he need to start being tested? How does that work?

Thx.

Good luck getting an answer. I posted numerous posts just asking that same question in this very thread and all my posts were deleted by the mods. The fact is except in the most obvious brazen cases like with Ruth C’s juiced 2:09 or burrito queen, the owners of this site and their bald henchman do not want us asking questions if someone could be doped or not. They want us to all fall in line and believe what they want us to believe; the lunacy that the sport is fair and that few of the pros cheat. They don’t like it when we ask those kinds of questions despite it being completely reasonable and Socratic to do so. So they would rather suppress our free speech on a running related topic so that they can continue their imaginary charade that the sport is not widely tainted so that they don’t lose business from this site. They do this in spite of allowing hundreds of political threads. Controversy sells, but only the controversy they approve of.

My friend, do not apologize for suggesting that Shuley could be doping. There is absolutely nothing wrong with asking the question. This man basically just came out of nowhere after a decade of not racing. Of course it could be suspicious. The idea that you should be ashamed simply for asking questions that go against the Letsrun Dreams Become Reality narrative is sheer nonsense. Never apologize if you haven’t done anything wrong. It’s the Letsrun moderators who should be apologizing for not having the balls to let their guests ask questions, and for not allowing innocent free speech, even if they don’t agree with it.

HobbleCreek24 wrote:

Rory Linkletter wrote after the Richtman marathon that he foresaw a wave of Americans breaking the 2:08 barrier and I think essentially it's coming to fruition. It's been a long time coming, but the American men's marathon race is truly deeper than ever. Like, in the past cycle you'd have to really hype up stories about could it be Scott Fauble or Colin Bennie or Futsum.

Now, you have a tsunami of guys running a faster time than any of those athletes ever did. And really I think the marathon is more competitive than it's been, perhaps ever but certainly in a long time, just in the sense that the US has had the top end talent at times but the third and sometimes even the second spot could be anyone's game because the depth just wasn't there. Now, it's looking like you might have to run in the low 2:07s to quality for the Olympics.