WTF THIS IS NOT OK - ONLY 5 AMERICANS IN NCAA TOP 30

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Also fine, whatever, don't piss your diapers on here, go call the NCAA. You crying about it on here doesn't change anything other than make you look like a crybaby tool.

“Crying” about 29 year old sophomores. You’re taking the losing side of an 80/20 issue, just like men in women’s sports.

From a European perspective where the practice of competitive and recreational sports is mainly club based, we simply don’t understand the American system in which you can get an "athletic scholarship".

Our understanding of university scholarships is to support deserving students with modest socioeconomic background, not to attract fast runners in your school.

Do you want to get rid of foreigners winning the NCAA competitions? Then just get rid of athletic scholarships…

The only people who follow NCAA Cross Country are current and past XC runners and that is never going to change. Limiting school's roster spots and diverting all the podium spots to non American (high school) runners means there will be fewer people involved in the sport at the local level in the future. There is only a limited appeal in following athletes that didn't come out of the US high school system and won't be running in the US Olympic Trials.

A good analog would be a high school orchestra that gave all their chairs to foriegn exchange students. In the end, the music might be great but you are doing absolutely nothing to sustain a steady flow of locally grown musicians who are going to give back to the local music community in the future. The foriegn exchange students are just going to go back to wherever to make that countries music community stronger.

Good point, in a given 4 years, how many college XC runners will actually go pro and make a real living doing it? If a school gave 18 scholarships to Engineers and only one got hired it would be considered a huge waste of money.

I am a professor of Arabic. No one can accuse me of xenophobia. I am so much less interested in NCAA cross country than I’ve been in recent years. For American fans, most of these Kenyans have no back story, and very poor English to help create a narrative that might excite fans. When Doris Lemngole said she was “very happy” after the race yesterday, I thought she had said the opposite because of her tone. I would vote for age limits and 2 or 3 non US citizens per team.

100% exactly this!

College cross country is never going to "excite fans" outside of a few crazies who read this site. Never. Not happening. Limiting foreigners so whitey can win the NCAAs isn't going to change that.

IT industry is full of workers from India, China and other countries. They are willing to work at a salary that many Americans would not take.

Trump administration introduced $100k fee for H1-B visa to discourage this practice.

If you go to some "underserved" areas, you see many doctors and nurses from less developed countries. Again, many are willing to take the salary and working conditions that many Americans don't accept. Many of them will probably lose their jobs because Medicare, Medicaid and ACA subsidy cut will close many rural hospitals.

Trump is telling universities to cap the number of international students.

"Therefore, no more than 15% of a university’s undergraduate student population shall be participants in the Student Visa Exchange Program, and no more than 5% shall be from any one country. For schools presently over the 15% population, incoming matriculating classes should meet the 15% cap."

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Yeah, and that's retarded. Go look at the biggest fifty companies by market cap, and you tell me how many were founded by international students who came to the US to study here.

Why in the world would we intentionally brain drain ourselves? Oh, I know why, because there's a bunch of room-temperature IQ conservatives who are mad that their little Jane or Johnny is too stupid to compete.

But that's the America OP wants and many other posters on this board agree with him.

Let's go back to manual typewriters, black & white tv and rotary phones. Life used to be great back in 1950s, right?

“So much less interested”? Really? You had every opportunity to edit and review your own post before submitting it, yet you’re criticizing someone else’s interview after they clearly put in effort. That comes across as pretty hypocritical. If you’re going to critique others, it might help to make sure your own grammar and clarity are solid first.

I can accuse you. Your full of yourself. I can speak Hebrew, so what, nobody cares. You don't have a vote.

https://www.reddit.com/r/trackandfield/s/5imKmWxLpz

Reddit thread on same issue . . . .

Limiting foreigners has a better chance of exciting fans than not

Breaking down the top 30 by country:

Eritrea - 1 (Samuel)
Kenya - 17 (Kipchoge, Musau, Kipngetich, Kiprotich, Lokira, Kiplagat, Cheruiyot, Bera, Kurui, Kogei, Chirchir, Kimutai, Kimutai, Kiplimo, Kipruto, Kipruto, Cheruiyot)
Morroco - 2 (Messaoudi, Er Raouy)
Ireland - 1 (Laadjel)
England - 1 (Couttie)
Israel - 1 (Guadia)

Timothy Chesondin and Meshack Kuyo are also listed as American on world athletics but bios say from Eldoret and Nairobi, so that would be 7 Americans in the top 30 instead of 5 if true. Last year for comparison (18 Americans in top 30):

Eritrea - 1 (Samuel)
Kenya - 5 (Musau, Kipngetich, Kiplagat, Yego, Kiprop)
Spain - 1 (Mechaal)
England - 1 (Couttie, Mullarkey)
South Africa - 1 (Masondo)
Morroco - 1 (Redouane)
Ireland - 1 (Casey)

WA lists Yaseen Abdalla as Sudan but he's American so I didn't include him here. The big changes from last year were many more kenyans not running poorly at nationals and lots of new (many overage) freshman. Also, for every Ok state/Iowa state/New Mexico there's also a

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2025 Men's Cross Country Roster

The official 2025 Men's Cross Country Roster for the Norfolk State University Spartans

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or a

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2025 Cross Country Roster

The official 2025 Cross Country Roster for the Fayetteville State University Broncos

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and community colleges all over with lots of kenyans who aren't here to run and aren't all that fast and probably aren't really taking roster spots from Americans. IMO the best solution is either actually enforcing the amateurism rules (which they don't now and with the way other sports are trending may not last long) or an age limit (sorry BYU) of 24. Ofc there's concerns about faked birth records, but that will push away the people who have been competing at a pro level before coming to the NCAA.

tl:dr enforce amateurism and 24 yr old age limit for objectivity but other sports would likely be unhappy with it

What the f is wrong with you? Seriously? The NCAA’s goal isn’t to serve young US athletes, it’s to “to provide a world-class athletics and academic experience for student-athletes that fosters lifelong well-being.” Inclusion and diversity is of utmost importance, as well as academics. Coach Smith is providing that within the rules set by the NCAA. If you have a problem, go and enact change to make the NCAA more exclusive to US athletes. This is so much different than the European clubs that I won’t even stsrt there.

I miss Wetmore. Some of those men's teams were not only US born but had 4 or 5 Coloradans. He delivered results with US kids. A coaching comparison between him and Smith would be like comparing apples and ugali.