NCAA Cross Country is RUINED - Teams like Florida Women, OSU and New Mexico ruin NCAA Cross Country

He wouldn’t be playing semantics to point out that it’s literally not an example of what you said.

You couldn't do it. High school federations have age limits. High schools have age limits on who can enroll. College athletes are adults.

It's stupid to say that any coach is getting an EASY win.

If you choose to take the "high road" and only take American kids, then be proud of what you do- and don't hate on coaches who have their own path which is WITHIN THE RULES OF THE SPORT. It's ridiculous for people to be hating on teams that are just trying to win. Do people really think that coaches should not do whatever they can to get the best athletes? Part of their job is getting good talent. Go after the NCAA and their rules - don't hate on coaches for trying to be successful. Can you even imagine having a conversation with an AD and letting them know that you will no longer be recruiting the top athletes- you're just going to work on American development. For the good of the sport.

Seriously WTH is wrong with you? You can look at those articles and think those athletes should be allowed to compete in the NCAA?

And you're gullible enough to think those are the only athletes that have questionable drug histories? When Kenya is the country with the highest rate of doping?

There is a clear problem here. If you can't admit that, then you are either an agent sending internationals to the USA, a bad coach reliant on foreigners, or one of the foreign athletes yourself.

Everyone else sees those articles and is outraged.

Holy sh*t. I hadn't heard about those cases, this is crazy!

There should be penalties for those coaches that recruited those athletes.

WTF this really pisses me off. I just looked them up and they both won conference championships while serving drug suspensions.

Imagine getting 2nd in your conference championships then learning months later you lost to someone currently banned from competition not just by the NCAA but by world anti-doping agencies.

Hopefully the athletes that lost to them ended up getting their gold medals. But still it is awful to not be able to celebrate it during the moment.

It makes me sick.

One actually was All-American too. Hopefully the NCAA moved the girl in 41st place up and awarded her All-American status. It was Mia Cochran of Arkansas.

These girls could have gotten bigger scholarships or NIL deals if they didn't have their result stolen from them. There is a massive difference between being a champion and not being a champion. And between being All-American and not being All-American.

Coaches are incentivized to do this. In a world where schools are looking to cut programs to spend more money on the big revenue generating sports, the only hope for cross country and track coaches to keep their jobs is to import international talent.

Pretty much, no. How do I know? I'm am an upperclassman at a large, well known D1 program and have competed at our conference many times. How many times has the NCAA tested me? Once. One single time.

The whole summer and winter is a complete free for all as well. Stop ranting about things you obviously know nothing about. NCAA doping is a big problem, and yes it is much more prevalent in foreigners. They can get dope much more easily in their home countries and there are lots of coaches with low morals who help. I know dudes on my team that I am about 99.99 percent sure are doping.

Stop trying to accuse college runners who rightfully bring up this issue of racism or some other nonsense. We just want an NCAA with reasonable age limits and doping controls. I also happen to believe that public, tax-funded universities have some responsibility to prioritize their residents and/or citizens (crazy thought I know). Is any of this really unreasonable?

actually for the class of 2026 here are the top number of recruits/average times and individual times for girls and you can see some surprising schools

Girls -Entire Class
3200
Stanford (2) 9:57.57
Louisville (1) 10:15.14
Tennessee (2) 10:16.17
Harvard (1) 10:18.57
NAU (2) 10:18.89
Colorado (3) 10:19.11
Duke (5) 10:20.13
Arkansas (3) 10:20.59
Dartmouth (1) 10:22.08
Florida (3) 10:22.12

Girls - Individuals
3200
NAU (9:52.64)
Stanford (9:57.11)
Stanford (9:58.02)
Duke (9:59.16)
Furman (10:01.55)
BYU (10:03.57)
Furman (10:05.87)
Colorado (10:05.90)
Arkansas (10:07.97)
BYU (10:08.04)

Girls - Entire Class
1600
Stanford (2) 4:38.69
Arkansas (3) 4:39.80
North Carolina (1) 4:42.08
NAU (1) 4:43.80
NC State (2) 4:44.18
Tennessee (2) 4:44.92
Washington (2) 4:46.88
Virginia (3) 4:47.17
BYU (5) 4:47.59
Princeton (1) 4:48.14

Girls - Individuals
1600
Arkansas (4:35.64)
BYU (4:35.78)
Stanford (4:37.08)
Stanford (4:40.29)
Arkansas (4:41.00)
Florida (4:41.74)
Duke (4:41.90)
North Carolina (4:42.08)
Wake Forest (4:42.56)
Arkansas (4:42.77)

what's surprising about that?

People will fall out of their chairs at these times.

Coaches like Gauson at NM don't coach all he does is recruit and turn his back on American kids. But he doesn't care what all of you think. He believes that by doing it the way he is that he will be respected for his efforts. He hasn't figured out that he isn't respected, he is laughed at.

I had no trouble getting on pornhub this morning

Is it me or did there used to be an age limit in D1 ? I thought way back when I was in college there was a 25y/o limit in D1 football?

Can anyone point me to a document, mission statement, "about us" page, or something of that nature from a school, conference, or the NCAA/NAIA where it says that the purpose of collegiate XC (or sports) programs is to develop American talent?

"Division 1 (D1) and Division 2 (D2) colleges require high school student-athletes to enroll in college no later than 12 months post-graduation. Upon acceptance, these students have five years to compete in four full years of college sports, as they can opt to redshirt (sit out of competitive gameplay for a season) for one of their four eligible years"

So how is anyone older than 23-24ish at the end. Aside from pandemic, mormon, or military service etc...? What excuse are the african athletes using? Delaying HS?

I get that maybe a rare person could have a redshirt and maybe military service....But how are 26 y/o foreign students allowed?

am i reading it wrong or is "entire class" being defined as 1 or 2 people in some cases? Stanford's best runner is the same as their average?

This.

I was at a D1 decades ago and never understood it. Where were the dual meets, the tri-meets, the big invites? Nobody cared until mid-November.