LMAO OP is definitely a loser IRL, go do something with your life instead of speculating rtdly and spam posting that you were supposedly "right" no one cares about you or opinion dipsh!t
I see we've now reached the stage where the only thing people can do is insult me because all the evidence has proven that I'm right.
I will accept your insults as cries of your frustration.
Unregistered OP troll: "Regional races are nothing more than prelims. Experienced runners like Pamela Kosgei know the goal is to advance with as little effort as possible. Kosgei held back because she was in a secure position and she knew her team was likely to qualify for nattys."
Yes, Kosgei definitely benefitted at Nationals by running conservatively at regionals. After saving all her energy she stepped up her game and got 17th, whereas JH completely pooped her pants and got 2nd.
Unregistered OP troll: "Regional races are nothing more than prelims. Experienced runners like Pamela Kosgei know the goal is to advance with as little effort as possible. Kosgei held back because she was in a secure position and she knew her team was likely to qualify for nattys."
Yes, Kosgei definitely benefitted at Nationals by running conservatively at regionals. After saving all her energy she stepped up her game and got 17th, whereas JH completely pooped her pants and got 2nd.
Bad example, Buttercup. Jane beat Pamela by 42.1 seconds at Regionals but only 23.9 seconds today.
Bad example, Buttercup. Jane beat Pamela by 42.1 seconds at Regionals but only 23.9 seconds today.
Place is all that matters in cross country Dandelion. Jane had an excellent race today, Kosgei did not though 17th at Nationals is still very impressive obviously.
You used Kosgei as an example of the savvy veteran being smart at regionals, but then she underperformed at Nationals, so what do you attribute that to?
The entire thread is that she made a HUGE mistake by running too fast at regionals. Then, she got second at Nationals and you are here gloating that you were right.
What else are we supposed to think other than you think she would have placed higher if she ran 40 seconds slower at regionals?
Why are you so fixated on time?
She got second, the only way she could have done better is by winning which you then backtracked on by saying it was impossible to know if she would have won.
Bad example, Buttercup. Jane beat Pamela by 42.1 seconds at Regionals but only 23.9 seconds today.
Place is all that matters in cross country Dandelion. Jane had an excellent race today, Kosgei did not though 17th at Nationals is still very impressive obviously.
You used Kosgei as an example of the savvy veteran being smart at regionals, but then she underperformed at Nationals, so what do you attribute that to?
If time didn't matter, they wouldn't time the races. Pamela was a lot closer to Jane today than she was at Regionals.
The entire thread is that she made a HUGE mistake by running too fast at regionals. Then, she got second at Nationals and you are here gloating that you were right.
What else are we supposed to think other than you think she would have placed higher if she ran 40 seconds slower at regionals?
Why are you so fixated on time?
She got second, the only way she could have done better is by winning which you then backtracked on by saying it was impossible to know if she would have won.
Are you conceding you couldn't find a post where I said she would have won?
The consequence of running too hard at Regionals is she didn't give herself the best chance of winning today. THAT was the huge mistake. As an athlete, you always want to give yourself the best chance to win. She hurt her chances by running so hard at Regionals.
Maybe Jane could have won today if her legs didn't feel sluggish. Maybe she still would have lost. We'll never know, but it's reasonable to think she could have put up more of a fight in that last kilometer if her legs felt better.
The entire thread is that she made a HUGE mistake by running too fast at regionals. Then, she got second at Nationals and you are here gloating that you were right.
What else are we supposed to think other than you think she would have placed higher if she ran 40 seconds slower at regionals?
Why are you so fixated on time?
She got second, the only way she could have done better is by winning which you then backtracked on by saying it was impossible to know if she would have won.
Are you conceding you couldn't find a post where I said she would have won?
The consequence of running too hard at Regionals is she didn't give herself the best chance of winning today. THAT was the huge mistake. As an athlete, you always want to give yourself the best chance to win. She hurt her chances by running so hard at Regionals.
Maybe Jane could have won today if her legs didn't feel sluggish. Maybe she still would have lost. We'll never know, but it's reasonable to think she could have put up more of a fight in that last kilometer if her legs felt better.
I think at this point you might need to see a therapist as you've gone over the edge.
Jane got beat by a young lady who took 5th in the world championships a few months ago so shut up
You're helping me make my point. Doris is a superb athlete. To give yourself the best chance of beating someone like her, you need to conserve as much of your energy as possible leading up to the race. You don't push unnecessarily hard in a prelim.
The consequence of running too hard at Regionals is she didn't give herself the best chance of winning today. THAT was the huge mistake.
No, that is what you made up. If she ran 40 seconds slower at regionals maybe she gets 4th today. You can't take one data point and extrapolate from there.
The consequence of running too hard at Regionals is she didn't give herself the best chance of winning today. THAT was the huge mistake.
No, that is what you made up. If she ran 40 seconds slower at regionals maybe she gets 4th today. You can't take one data point and extrapolate from there.
One data point? Are you not paying attention?
1) Jane's last kilometer was much slower today than at Pre-Nats. 2) Other runners finished much closer to Jane today than before. 3) Jane said her legs felt sluggish. 4) Jane's coach admitted they ran hard at Regionals.
How much much data do you need to believe me? If Jane runs closer to Doris at BU, will you believe me then? Or will you still be in denial?
Doris proved she is a level above, at least. I don't think she was even working that hard to beat her. If she goes to Europe next summer and runs 14:10s, I wouldn't be shocked in any way. However, it is arguable that the OP was right that Jane ran regionals too hard and therefore was tired today and did not run quite to her potential. Diljeet Taylor said she had been told that very thing by Jane--that her legs felt tired today. The differential between Jane and the others here and at regionals and pre-Nats and conference says that is true.
1) Jane's last kilometer was much slower today than at Pre-Nats. 2) Other runners finished much closer to Jane today than before. 3) Jane said her legs felt sluggish. 4) Jane's coach admitted they ran hard at Regionals.
How much much data do you need to believe me? If Jane runs closer to Doris at BU, will you believe me then? Or will you still be in denial?
You know nothing about high level competition and far less about statistics.
1. The entire field went out very fast so of course many slowed down with some exceptions.
2. Maybe they had a great day. Why is the only reason you think they finished closer is because JH ran 40 seconds faster than you thought she should 8 days ago? Why do you not consider any of the other people? Only JH's performance is a variable to you, everyone else's performance is static.
3. Yes. And the ONLY possible reason for her legs feeling sluggish to you is because of the singular data point 8 days ago.
4. Yes, lots of teams ran hard. Why is JH the only one that had their race 8 days later impacted by regionals?
Is it possible that JH ran too hard at regionals and she suffered for it today? Of course it is. But you can't know that because you only consider one person and one race 8 days ago and treat every other variable as static.