The one mistake we make in these situations is that everyone is cheating. Really, innocent before proven guilty is a better approach. And, also, it goes without saying that athletes make bad decisions but many times trainers, friends, and coaches can be very persuasive.
Jonathan Gault's story on the bust is now out: https://www.letsrun.com/news/2...
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Someone should post some comments on this article, trying to make the argument that 2:09 was plausible for a woman.
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el cyd wrote:
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Don't forget that I am everything wrong with the Internet and LRC.
What was with the forum and milk last night?
The430miler spamming the message board with links to his youtube channel. Spamming is verboten.
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Kenya is long overdue for a Russia-style suspension for state-sponsored doping. This is just absurd.
Dopers steal money, fame, and glory from clean athletes. State-sponsored doping makes it extremely difficult for clean Kenyans to qualify for international teams. State-sponsored doping endangers the health of the athletes who feel forced to take drugs. Etc.
It seems like it is just politically incorrect to sanction Kenya. But it's okay to sanction Russia because they are white meanies.
It's time to save our sport. Sanction Kenya!
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Ugh. I still hope beyond all hope that Haile G was clean. Yes, I'm naive.
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John Wesley Harding wrote:
Siedge_Hammer wrote:
Everyone at the top is doing it. You think Jakob, Hocker, and even Wightman are possibly clean? Don't be naive.
Yes, I think Wightman could very well be clean. Statistically, 1:43.65/3:29.23 PBs are a hell of a lot more believable than 3:26.73/7:17.55 and dominating 3 straight 5k Championships.
I believe in clean world class runners, and even the occasional gold medalist. Anyone who puts up mind blowing records, whether it’s Kipyegon and Chebet from Kenya, or Jakob and Warholm from Norway, I figure has to be receiving pharmaceutical help.
I wonder if Conner Mantz is actually the best clean marathoner right now. I really hope he's clean, but I'm skeptical of him in the way I'm skeptical of all pro runners, but he has nothing beyond that to make me extra skeptical like Jakob
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Said it.
Womens 5000m record holder next.
ALL doping.
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Every single one of your mothers and grandmothers with high blood pressure probably is taking this medicine and your anorexic friend and wrestlers down the hall are taking a stronger one. None of them could run even close to this fast.....the running world can be so stupid at times.....take this into perspective please.. And educate yourself when you screem doping in your XXXL pants sitting at home all day......
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jtkirchnerFMTC wrote:
How is HCTZ (a diuretic as noted) "performance enhancing"- not performance depleting...like running in 80*/95% humidity. I would like to see more of the science here. Most runners I know who are on a diuretic for hypertension, heart failure, edema would NOT take this before running. Besides "masking" other substances would like to see more here.
The elephant in the room of this despicable website is that NO chemical concoctions have ever helped anyone to run any faster than they would already run by natural means.
The second elephant is that multiple Kenyans are being banned simply because they're hard working great runners, not because they're doing anything illegal to bolster their performances.
This whole drug promotion thing and banning people due to being from other countries and/or ethnicities is a sham and has the ultimate effect of destroying the sport of athletics.
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I mean she did technically still run the time. They didn’t say she was caught being a man
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Clay wrote:
Someone should post some comments on this article, trying to make the argument that 2:09 was plausible for a woman.
I mean she did technically still run the time. They didn’t say she was caught being a man
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Abeylegesse fan wrote:
Kenya is long overdue for a Russia-style suspension for state-sponsored doping. This is just absurd.
Dopers steal money, fame, and glory from clean athletes. State-sponsored doping makes it extremely difficult for clean Kenyans to qualify for international teams. State-sponsored doping endangers the health of the athletes who feel forced to take drugs. Etc.
It seems like it is just politically incorrect to sanction Kenya. But it's okay to sanction Russia because they are white meanies.
It's time to save our sport. Sanction Kenya!
I thought Russia was state sponsored, while Kenya is incredibly widespread / rampant but personal...sure, the anti-doping agencies seem to turn a blind eye to it, but they're not being dosed by the government / a governmental agency
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renowned kenyan parliamentarian wrote:
Imagine it. Rojo getting off a plane in Nairobi, flanked by armstronglivs and coevette, briefcases full of testing kits in hand.
The A-Team, except without the black guy.
The black guy in the scenario is Rekrunner in Johnny Cochran style, coming to the defense but making zero sense.
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Guardian is picking up on this angle:
"After the race she was asked by one journalist from the website Let’s Run whether her run “was too good to be true”, and asked what her response would be to people who doubted her.
“I don’t have any idea,” Chepngetich replied. A day later several members of the Kenyan parliament criticised the journalist for questioning their national hero."410 -
RunRunRuntoArg wrote:
Every single one of your mothers and grandmothers with high blood pressure probably is taking this medicine and your anorexic friend and wrestlers down the hall are taking a stronger one. None of them could run even close to this fast.....the running world can be so stupid at times.....take this into perspective please.. And educate yourself when you screem doping in your XXXL pants sitting at home all day......
She's taken everything you fool. You benefit from EPO even if you took it 10 years ago.
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FedericoRosaRemainsonTop wrote:
Can we get a running tally on Federico Rosa’s doping record? He’s had some of the best to ever dope.
Trying to decide if it’s impressive he’s still allowed to be involved in sport or pity him for being so bad at covering it up.
Ban this POS from the sport for life.
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Rojo preening not withstanding, this is wild news. Proves they’ll let the titans fall?
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AncientRunner wrote:
FedericoRosaRemainsonTop wrote:
Can we get a running tally on Federico Rosa’s doping record? He’s had some of the best to ever dope.
Trying to decide if it’s impressive he’s still allowed to be involved in sport or pity him for being so bad at covering it up.
Ban this POS from the sport for life.
And yet even this infamous Rosa was blushed and had to distance himself when he saw Wanyonyi and Koech's agent.
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mictlantecuhtli wrote:
you f*cking tool wrote:
oh cool, rojo's making this about himself.
In fairness, if I got personally called out by a foreign government's parliament I would definitely make it about myself too
I like you lol this made me chuckle because…. True
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Salvitore Stitchmo wrote:
THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:
I think this is a valid take. I wonder if another measure is to simply make agents pay heavily. Imagine if Rosa now paid a massive fine that financially ramped up targeted testing of his best athletes. Think he might take closer order of his athletes then?
How about we just imagine that these scumbag agents that have abused desperate east african athletes in particular for the last 25-30 years (Rosa, Demadonna, Corstjens, Mostaza, et al) just had their licenses revoked? Throw in a few coaches like that crook Canova that everybody thought was awesome for like 5 years because he posted the training plans of his doped Kenyans and tried to convince us that because they were born at altitude EPO was useless to them. Why don't we start there.
"abused desperate east african athletes"
I think we are WELL PASSED the point where every cheater that gets caught in one of these countries is heckin wholesome and just a victim.
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