Still looking forward for an explanation from Army for why the Euros are a "second tier" competition but the Grand Slam Track isn't
Should be easy for such a hotshot like Kerr to show up to the Euros and win easy gold medals if it's a second tier competition
The Grand Slam track hasn't been run yet. The only point about that is that Ingebrigtsen would flounder in the 800 and struggle to win non-paced races in the 1500. But what shows Ingebrigtsen's relative decline is how he has been unable to win a global 1500 title in 3 years.
Whether Kerr is interested or not in the Euros is irrelevant to any of that.
How is the euros second tier? And how does that even matter since you somehow disregard Prefontaine every time Ingebrigtsen has won? Alternative facts?
The Euros aren't global level competition. That's what makes them second tier. I don't disregard Prefontaine when Ingebrigtsen won; the point I was making is that his loss there last year was his second consecutive beating by Kerr. The trend is Ingebrigtsen to lose now in his main event in the big races. So he won the DL final but really the year was over after Paris. One swallow does not a summer make.
Yes you conveniently disregard and forget whatever isn't fitting your narrative, like you do when you disregard the european championship (as I have shown, this would be the regional championships for the olympic, the world champion and the world leader) and when you act like the DL doesn't count either. Its dishonest thinking, the twisting of facts that we see are in vogue in governments over the world.
One swallow does not a summer make.
Yes, so its disingenuous to pretend like there is a trend, which not only requires you to conveniently leave out any previous history, but also close your eyes for what comes after those specific events.
Not surprisingly, if you disregard every DNS of Kerr and every gold of Jakob you'll dream up something that support your opinion, but looking at the same numbers you are able to look at when talking about other runners, and you are not longer blinded by your hatred, you'll see that the number of medals and the best times tells a different story.
Still looking forward for an explanation from Army for why the Euros are a "second tier" competition but the Grand Slam Track isn't
Should be easy for such a hotshot like Kerr to show up to the Euros and win easy gold medals if it's a second tier competition
The Grand Slam track hasn't been run yet. The only point about that is that Ingebrigtsen would flounder in the 800 and struggle to win non-paced races in the 1500. But what shows Ingebrigtsen's relative decline is how he has been unable to win a global 1500 title in 3 years.
Whether Kerr is interested or not in the Euros is irrelevant to any of that.
So whats the point of talking about GST other than yet another reach to construct a narrative? Whether Kerr runs one of, if not the largest, regional championships there is, is irrelevant but whether Ingebrigtsen joins in on GST and his eventual results are relevant?
But what shows Ingebrigtsen's relative decline is how he has been unable to win a global 1500 title in 3 years.
How is it possible to have a relative decline when you are setting new PRs, winning gold medals and setting world records? The only "decline" is that the olympics was the first time since Ingebrigtsen became olympic champion that he didn't stand on the podium in a 1500 championship.
The only explanation I find for your reasoning is a cognitive decline.
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Norwegians, can we get a translation on this excerpt from the TV2 article?
– Det frister ikke å løpe de 800-meterne bare for å få duellene på 1500? – Det er nok en dårlig løsning, svarte 23-åringen og flirte.
Google Translate has the English translation as this: – Isn't it tempting to run the 800 meters just to get the duels in the 1500? – That's probably a bad solution, the 23-year-old replied, flirting.
I'm kind of confused by the use of the word flirting in this context. Is there something I'm missing? Or does it basically just mean Jakob is teasing or being playful when he said the line?
Lol.. Use ChatGPT instead of Google Translate old man
Kerr beat Jakob in the biggest global championships in the last two years, as well as Prefontaine - 3 in a row. But we were also able to count on a bunch of other guys to beat Ingebrigtsen over the 1500 in the last 3 years. The list is growing.
Strange, I'm looking at the results list for Paris and I'm seeing Jakob left with a gold medal and Kerr didn't. Are the results list wrong?
The results list are not wrong you just are not as perspicacious as Armstrongluv and me, get it? There are some things in this world you cannot simply count or measure at face value. There is what is known as innate value too! Get it? It’s where 2nd or 3rd order meta analysis is born!
You should apologise to our LRC savant Armstrongluv!
Still looking forward for an explanation from Army for why the Euros are a "second tier" competition but the Grand Slam Track isn't
Should be easy for such a hotshot like Kerr to show up to the Euros and win easy gold medals if it's a second tier competition
The Grand Slam track hasn't been run yet. The only point about that is that Ingebrigtsen would flounder in the 800 and struggle to win non-paced races in the 1500. But what shows Ingebrigtsen's relative decline is how he has been unable to win a global 1500 title in 3 years.
Whether Kerr is interested or not in the Euros is irrelevant to any of that.
Yes, it's relevant when you're saying Kerr won't compete against Jakob at the Euros because he's "not interested in the minor titles", but he's more than happy to sign up for the cash grab league.
So which is it, is he not interested in the minor titles or is the GST a major title?
Still looking forward for an explanation from Army for why the Euros are a "second tier" competition but the Grand Slam Track isn't
Should be easy for such a hotshot like Kerr to show up to the Euros and win easy gold medals if it's a second tier competition
The Grand Slam track hasn't been run yet. The only point about that is that Ingebrigtsen would flounder in the 800 and struggle to win non-paced races in the 1500. But what shows Ingebrigtsen's relative decline is how he has been unable to win a global 1500 title in 3 years.
Whether Kerr is interested or not in the Euros is irrelevant to any of that.
👏👏 well said!
Don’t know why guys are still obsessed with Euros. It’s not even prestigious in space and time for a veteran like Jakob, maybe for Laros yes but not fro Jakob and Kerr.
And because Kerr has just now taken the world outdoor champs crown, world indoor champs crown, and Olympic silver and bronze, competitions which are far more prestigious than the Euros, the point is now moot for him to go to a lesser competition like Euros to compete. If he still hasn’t won worlds which is bigger than Euros then a case can be made for why he is ducking Euros.
Guys on this thread are just not thinking well enough, maybe it’s all the man made elektramagnetico field exposure while I protect themselves and the result is my posts and comments are that much more intelligent than the rest!
The Grand Slam track hasn't been run yet. The only point about that is that Ingebrigtsen would flounder in the 800 and struggle to win non-paced races in the 1500. But what shows Ingebrigtsen's relative decline is how he has been unable to win a global 1500 title in 3 years.
Whether Kerr is interested or not in the Euros is irrelevant to any of that.
Yes, it's relevant when you're saying Kerr won't compete against Jakob at the Euros because he's "not interested in the minor titles", but he's more than happy to sign up for the cash grab league.
So which is it, is he not interested in the minor titles or is the GST a major title?
No it’s not relevant according to the laws of space and time! Kerr is so done with Euros as he has already conquered the world!
Why are you counting just the last pre and not all three? Is it because Ingebrigtsen won in 22 and 23? Gold-gold-silver is a lot better than duck-duck-gold you know.
Why do you count Pre but not Euros? Is it because Ingebrigtsen won those as well? Strange how you are not able to stick to your rules about having the fastest PR's and most medals in this case.
The Euros is second tier. Prefontaine wasn't. I am not discussing Ingebrigtsen and Kerr's entire career; the point is that in the latter part of his career, the last 3 years, Ingebrigtsen is routinely losing to other runners in his specialist event, and not just Kerr.
Why are you counting just the last pre and not all three? Is it because Ingebrigtsen won in 22 and 23? Gold-gold-silver is a lot better than duck-duck-gold you know.
Why do you count Pre but not Euros? Is it because Ingebrigtsen won those as well? Strange how you are not able to stick to your rules about having the fastest PR's and most medals in this case.
The Euros is second tier. Prefontaine wasn't. I am not discussing Ingebrigtsen and Kerr's entire career; the point is that in the latter part of his career, the last 3 years, Ingebrigtsen is routinely losing to other runners in his specialist event, and not just Kerr.
🤣. Why are you being intentionally obtuse? Jakob has gone Gold Silver Silver in the biggest championships over 1500m, who else has matched that? Sure, he isn’t as good as your heroes Herb Elliot or Snell over the event but he is still the current best of this era whether you like it or not.
How has "the best in his era" failed to win a championship gold in his best distance in 3 years, and finished out of the medals in that event at the last Olympics? That was as long as Elliott's entire career. He is owned by Kerr - 3 straight big occasion races and two championship finals. But then Ingebrigtsen keeps losing to others as well. He is nowhere near the past greats of this event. They knew how to win.
In sport not always the same are winning. Those few runners who have beaten Ingebrigtsen are also very strong. But when we are even just looking on the 1500m/Mile, Ingebrigtsen in the last five years still definitely has the strongest record of all of them. Also when we are just looking on the last three seasons, it's really hard to come up with another no. 1 than Ingebrigtsen. Who? Give a name (small hint: he won't).
The maybe most astonishing fact about Armstrong, even when knowing about all his limitations and all his hatred against Ingebrigtsen: he still puts Ingebrigtsen success against them of all the others combined.
He is trying to argue like this since years.
In an attempt to show that Kenya was not the most successful nation in a given period, he has listed the successes of all other nations combined (for sure with mistakes and after having changed the period in question and so on)! Just that he has not to say the simple - and clearly demonstrated - fact that Kenya was the most successfull nation. Same here. Just astonishing.
The Euros aren't global level competition. That's what makes them second tier. I don't disregard Prefontaine when Ingebrigtsen won; the point I was making is that his loss there last year was his second consecutive beating by Kerr. The trend is Ingebrigtsen to lose now in his main event in the big races. So he won the DL final but really the year was over after Paris. One swallow does not a summer make.
Yes you conveniently disregard and forget whatever isn't fitting your narrative, like you do when you disregard the european championship (as I have shown, this would be the regional championships for the olympic, the world champion and the world leader) and when you act like the DL doesn't count either. Its dishonest thinking, the twisting of facts that we see are in vogue in governments over the world.
One swallow does not a summer make.
Yes, so its disingenuous to pretend like there is a trend, which not only requires you to conveniently leave out any previous history, but also close your eyes for what comes after those specific events.
Not surprisingly, if you disregard every DNS of Kerr and every gold of Jakob you'll dream up something that support your opinion, but looking at the same numbers you are able to look at when talking about other runners, and you are not longer blinded by your hatred, you'll see that the number of medals and the best times tells a different story.
I lost interest as I read it. I disregard what you say because it is irrelevant. None of it changes the fact the Ingebrigtsen has repeatedly lost to other runners in his main event in the last 3 years. His dominance as a 1500 runner appears to be over.
The Grand Slam track hasn't been run yet. The only point about that is that Ingebrigtsen would flounder in the 800 and struggle to win non-paced races in the 1500. But what shows Ingebrigtsen's relative decline is how he has been unable to win a global 1500 title in 3 years.
Whether Kerr is interested or not in the Euros is irrelevant to any of that.
So whats the point of talking about GST other than yet another reach to construct a narrative? Whether Kerr runs one of, if not the largest, regional championships there is, is irrelevant but whether Ingebrigtsen joins in on GST and his eventual results are relevant?
But what shows Ingebrigtsen's relative decline is how he has been unable to win a global 1500 title in 3 years.
How is it possible to have a relative decline when you are setting new PRs, winning gold medals and setting world records? The only "decline" is that the olympics was the first time since Ingebrigtsen became olympic champion that he didn't stand on the podium in a 1500 championship.
The only explanation I find for your reasoning is a cognitive decline.
None of that applies to the 1500/mile. He isn't setting world records and winning global goals in his main event. He is repeatedly being beaten.
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