As someone with a degree in chemistry as well as a degree in medicine, I am beyond suspicious of this result. I believe that there is likely a designer drug that upregulates multiple anabolic pathways like hgh and testosterone, but is both more effective and not currently detectable, and has no external androgenic effects. These types of drugs are more effective on women, who obviously have much lower levels of naturally occurring anabolic hormones.
Obviously doping has to be considered but also I think it is lazy analysis.
Is she on a drug no one else has access to? Kiptum had it too and no one else?
a better runner, on the same stuff in delux quantity, same as 100 to 1000 other kenyans,
She will decide to transition to male be granted a TUE to support she to he, walk across the Mexican border, be granted US citizenship in time to make the US team and win gold. All you tools will continue to support this circus.
STFU if this were Letesenbet Gidey or Hassan y'all would be singing at the Choir
But I think that is part of the calculation. We know what Gidey and Hassan can do on the track, so it would "make sense" for them to be breaking barriers in the marathon as well.
Ruth's PRs at other distances are just not that amazing, so this feels like it came out of left field.
She is a winner and very consistent, but looking at these times (already in super-shoes on super fast courses), nobody said, "she should target a sub-2:10!"
Here are her previous best results:
Bank of America Chicago Marathon, Chicago, IL 2:14:18
Bank of America Chicago Marathon, Chicago, IL 2:15:37
Standard Chartered Dubai Marathon, Dubai 2:17:08
Nagoya Women's Marathon, Nagoya 2:17:18
Istanbul Half Marathon, Istanbul 1:04:02
Nagoya Women's Marathon, Nagoya 2:18:08
Istanbul Marathon, Istanbul 2:18:35
Delhi Half Marathon, New Delhi 1:05:06
Vodafone Istanbul Half Marathon, Istanbul 1:05:30
From 2:14 to 2:10 is about 8 secs faster a mile. Or about 2secs a 400. Is it a huge jump from that perspective?
But I think that is part of the calculation. We know what Gidey and Hassan can do on the track, so it would "make sense" for them to be breaking barriers in the marathon as well.
Ruth's PRs at other distances are just not that amazing, so this feels like it came out of left field.
She is a winner and very consistent, but looking at these times (already in super-shoes on super fast courses), nobody said, "she should target a sub-2:10!"
Here are her previous best results:
Bank of America Chicago Marathon, Chicago, IL 2:14:18
Bank of America Chicago Marathon, Chicago, IL 2:15:37
Standard Chartered Dubai Marathon, Dubai 2:17:08
Nagoya Women's Marathon, Nagoya 2:17:18
Istanbul Half Marathon, Istanbul 1:04:02
Nagoya Women's Marathon, Nagoya 2:18:08
Istanbul Marathon, Istanbul 2:18:35
Delhi Half Marathon, New Delhi 1:05:06
Vodafone Istanbul Half Marathon, Istanbul 1:05:30
From 2:14 to 2:10 is about 8 secs faster a mile. Or about 2secs a 400. Is it a huge jump from that perspective?
2 seconds per 400 over the course of 105 consecutive 400s with no recovery....yes, that's a huge jump
STFU if this were Letesenbet Gidey or Hassan y'all would be singing at the Choir
But I think that is part of the calculation. We know what Gidey and Hassan can do on the track, so it would "make sense" for them to be breaking barriers in the marathon as well.
Ruth's PRs at other distances are just not that amazing, so this feels like it came out of left field.
She is a winner and very consistent, but looking at these times (already in super-shoes on super fast courses), nobody said, "she should target a sub-2:10!"
Here are her previous best results:
Bank of America Chicago Marathon, Chicago, IL 2:14:18
Bank of America Chicago Marathon, Chicago, IL 2:15:37
Standard Chartered Dubai Marathon, Dubai 2:17:08
Nagoya Women's Marathon, Nagoya 2:17:18
Istanbul Half Marathon, Istanbul 1:04:02
Nagoya Women's Marathon, Nagoya 2:18:08
Istanbul Marathon, Istanbul 2:18:35
Delhi Half Marathon, New Delhi 1:05:06
Vodafone Istanbul Half Marathon, Istanbul 1:05:30
not a marathoner, but if we go by progression, I find Bell or Hull's progression just as much if not more suspicious.
But I think that is part of the calculation. We know what Gidey and Hassan can do on the track, so it would "make sense" for them to be breaking barriers in the marathon as well.
Ruth's PRs at other distances are just not that amazing, so this feels like it came out of left field.
She is a winner and very consistent, but looking at these times (already in super-shoes on super fast courses), nobody said, "she should target a sub-2:10!"
Here are her previous best results:
Bank of America Chicago Marathon, Chicago, IL 2:14:18
Bank of America Chicago Marathon, Chicago, IL 2:15:37
Standard Chartered Dubai Marathon, Dubai 2:17:08
Nagoya Women's Marathon, Nagoya 2:17:18
Istanbul Half Marathon, Istanbul 1:04:02
Nagoya Women's Marathon, Nagoya 2:18:08
Istanbul Marathon, Istanbul 2:18:35
Delhi Half Marathon, New Delhi 1:05:06
Vodafone Istanbul Half Marathon, Istanbul 1:05:30
not a marathoner, but if we go by progression, I find Bell or Hull's progression just as much if not more suspicious.
It’s clear that the entire sport is tainted but those two obvious frauds got away with it scott free and are laughing their way to the bank with Battocletti in the driver seat.
Do you actually believe that white western runners AREN'T doping, because they may not be running 2:09 in the marathon, but I assure you good sir, they are and always have been.
Yes, I sure they aren't doping to run 2:10-2:12 with super shoes as professional men - times that weren't even impressive 40 years ago without super shoes or 2:20-2:22 in the women's race.
Nice of you to take a small quote on what I said out of context to justify this bs.
White runners DO DOPE. Do you think Jessica Hull, Georgia Bell or Shelby Houlihan competed clean? The post I was responding to essentially suggested a separate category for western white runners. That's not gna happen.
Also don't assume that those runners are clean either. Many white women runners doped to run the times they didn't even if they aren't impressive. You can never be sure. I was shocked when Lisa Stublic was popped. Deeja Youngquist in another name that comes to mind.
Would her urine sample burn through a testing vial? Most certainly. Did the other E Africans and Americans have the same stuff? More than likely. Did they run 2:09? Not even close.
Suspend all belief that anyone is clean. Assume the worst; after all, they are human beings looking to make money- of course they will cheat.
Once you've accepted this, you can go back to enjoying runs like this. She timed everything to perfection. Her cycle was chemically perfect, she stayed healthy, payments hit WADA agents in time, her training was phenomenal- props to her camp.
I don't know what she's on but combined with faster shoes this time is just too much to take.
What will happen is that Eastern African athletes will take over the sport of marathon running. You are afraid. It is another take on white supremacy. Please understand that these people are starving to death and you want to limit the one thing that gives them hope!
Do this instead of trying to wipe out the Eastern African marathoner: While I agree that a young star athlete must continue or start speed development over distances of between 30-200 meters, be very careful. Remember that the runner cannot hurt himself by running long, easy distances. Yes, hard interval training such as 400 m intervals is the death of many distance runners, much warming up should be done before doing speed development. And most importantly, you do not do that kind of work at 50 degrees or cooler. You can train too hard, and that is a concept that should not be lost on young phenoms like the young boys or girls.
IF we do that there is no reason to fear Africans.
Doping is actually super smart financially for an elite east African runner if you strip away the ethics. As an athlete the rewards are huge. The downside is shame and public loathing. Upside glory, money. In East Africa if you win a major marathon you’re probably set for life, multiple wins or podiums now you’re luxuriously comfortable. With exchange rate call it equivalent of million or multi million dollar win by American. Upside is huge if you have the potential to win by doping. Contrast that with American runners. We all saw Lance. Prize money is weak, u could make more money in so many occupations. So calculus for American is huge public shaming and not that much money.
This is such an obvious dirty (and for many demoralizing) result, but this quote sums up the reality for so many of the African elites who do this.
From 2:14 to 2:10 is about 8 secs faster a mile. Or about 2secs a 400. Is it a huge jump from that perspective?
2 seconds per 400 over the course of 105 consecutive 400s with no recovery....yes, that's a huge jump
But she's run several 1:04 halfs. So she's easily got the 2sec/400 pace down through 13. We all know Kenyans....ect negative split. But today looked like her pacing was pretty steady at that 2sec\400 pace to a 2:10 ?
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