How do you know ben is running clean? you dont. Just because someone is british does not make them clean. Although the guys ahead of him all look very roided out.
How do you know that every wold class runner is doping?
I deal with reality, evidence, and reasonable grounds of suspicion.
A guy jogging 1:41 with a powerful home straight kick twice in a week, after apparently only taking up running 3 years ago, coming from one of the worst doping nations on Earth, is more suspicious than a guy who has been medalling at junior competitions and setting records since he was a kid. He also posts every single run and cross training activity on Strava. I don't 'know' that he is clean, but any objective and rational person would believe the likelihood is considerably lower than for Sedjati and one or two of the others.
You've been doing well recently Jeff. Please don't go back to the crude 'everybody is doping' trolling.
Yes, dear Coevett, I also observe both Armstrong and Jeff have been fierce advocates against doping to the extent that everybody is objectively doping almost!!!! But I rather have this than rekrunner's 'nobody is doping' and all doping violations are probably processing errors and some other mistakes/accident!!!!!! I would choose Jeff and Armstrong over a highly deceitful pro-doping secret agent like rekrunner!!!!! He even defended Salazar to the death lol!!!!! Shocking........
Yes Josh and Jakob are both definitely more likely clean than Sedjati, and it's now not even due to supershoes as if it's the case than Sedjati should have ran 1:41 way sooner in 2020 or 2021 already. Training doesn't even slingshot your 800m pb into revered 1:41 realm under any scenario, it's such an untouched and untreaded realm treaded only by teenager running geniuses like David Rudisha and Wilson Kipketer who all had a clear path trajectory starting in their teens. Nobody comes in all of a sudden in their 20s like Sedjati does right, dear Coevett??? I agree with you here.
Sedjati isn't even moving up in distance from 400m like Alberto Juantorena and give himself a better chance to make an argument for himself that he might be cleaner than we thought.
Hence I would even be more suspicious if a 5000m or 10000m runner dropped down in distance to 800m and run the WR, or even PB like crazy in the sub 1:45 realm. It just doesn't happen, even if he passed all doping tests. It is absolute doping without a doubt.
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Up to 12% of adolescent males admit to have taken steroids. Steroids are hard to get. And about half of them require syringes. Sarms on the other hand are easy to get and are taken orally. Don’t assume that teenagers are not on PEDs. I bet most American high school athletes are on PEDs.
Up to 12% of adolescent males admit to have taken steroids. Steroids are hard to get. And about half of them require syringes. Sarms on the other hand are easy to get and are taken orally. Don’t assume that teenagers are not on PEDs. I bet most American high school athletes are on PEDs.
Yes sir I took note of that. I'll do an Armstrong or Jeff if need be! Discretion is what I have and really good at.
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Are you seriously autistic? Was Ghost1 the first to create a doping discussion thread on Tual? Tual could have the highest level of EPO ever recorded found in his blood, as well as 20kg of roids coming out of his a££, and Ghost1 would still defend his innocence.
Are yiu seriously illiterate? Where did you say you were the first to create a DOPING thread on Tual? You said a thread. So you were not the first.
Track is indistinguishable from tour cycling now. Actually, it was WADA that said that. It lumps running together with bodybuilding and weightlifting, as well as cycling.
You have repeated that more than 10 times this week.
How do you know ben is running clean? you dont. Just because someone is british does not make them clean. Although the guys ahead of him all look very roided out.
How do you know that every wold class runner is doping?
I deal with reality, evidence, and reasonable grounds of suspicion.
A guy jogging 1:41 with a powerful home straight kick twice in a week, after apparently only taking up running 3 years ago, coming from one of the worst doping nations on Earth, is more suspicious than a guy who has been medalling at junior competitions and setting records since he was a kid. He also posts every single run and cross training activity on Strava. I don't 'know' that he is clean, but any objective and rational person would believe the likelihood is considerably lower than for Sedjati and one or two of the others.
You've been doing well recently Jeff. Please don't go back to the crude 'everybody is doping' trolling.
Its not trolling,its stating a fact. You do not know that he is clean,just because he is british! ive seen british athletes roided out of their skulls who never tested positive. i agree with you that he doesnt look as obvious as sedjati,and some others,but just because someone is fast as a kid does not make them clean(or even fast) as an adult. Also i never said for a fact that he is doping. My point is dont assume hes clean because he's british. Not all of them are. For the record he looks a lot more natty than sedjati,so thats a good thing.Also without the fast shoes,he would never break coe's record. His 1.42,27 would be worth about 1.43.9 back in coe's day. That im sure we can agree with.
He also posts every single run and cross training activity on Strava. I don't 'know' that he (Ben Pattison) is clean, but any objective and rational person would believe the likelihood is considerably lower than for Sedjati and one or two of the others.
I agree, the likelihood for Pattison to be clean, is much lower than for Sedjati.
Yes, dear Coevett, I also observe both Armstrong and Jeff have been fierce advocates against doping to the extent that everybody is objectively doping almost!!!! But I rather have this than rekrunner's 'nobody is doping' and all doping violations are probably processing errors and some other mistakes/accident!!!!!! I would choose Jeff and Armstrong over a highly deceitful pro-doping secret agent like rekrunner!!!!! He even defended Salazar to the death lol!!!!! Shocking........
Speaking of RF King, has anyone yet quantified the impact of RF/EMF on elite athletic performances? Looks like a lot of track records have been broken lately.
Regarding all these other claims, you seem to have deluded yourself.
In a rare moment, I agree with Coevett: "I deal with reality, evidence, and reasonable grounds of suspicion."
Regarding "nobody is doping", in another rare moment, I agree with your darling "Armstronglivs" (within a margin of error) when he tells me that between 10% and 80% of athletes are doping. Curiously enough, Coevett repeatedly insists I claim that "everybody is doping". Both of you and Coevett can't be right, but you can both be wrong.
Regarding defending Salazar to the death:
- What did I defend to the death exacly?
- To my knowledge, both Salazar and I are still alive.
- There are many things about Salazar that I do not defend or condone.
- For example, I don't defend or condone Salazar doping his sons with testosterone, nor the SafeSport findings against him. (I did wonder whether doping his sons was an ADRV, or if it broke any state or federal laws.) I also find inappropriate many of the things that female athletes stepped forward and claimed, ranging from dirty jokes, to personal questions about sex-life, to comments about big boobs and butts, to public weigh-ins in underwear, to topless cryobaths, etc.
- There are many other things that Salazar has been accused of, where objective and/or conclusive evidential support is found wanting. I don't defend the accusations so much as point out when they are baseless.
How do you know that every wold class runner is doping?
I deal with reality, evidence, and reasonable grounds of suspicion.
A guy jogging 1:41 with a powerful home straight kick twice in a week, after apparently only taking up running 3 years ago, coming from one of the worst doping nations on Earth, is more suspicious than a guy who has been medalling at junior competitions and setting records since he was a kid. He also posts every single run and cross training activity on Strava. I don't 'know' that he is clean, but any objective and rational person would believe the likelihood is considerably lower than for Sedjati and one or two of the others.
You've been doing well recently Jeff. Please don't go back to the crude 'everybody is doping' trolling.
Its not trolling,its stating a fact. You do not know that he is clean,just because he is british! ive seen british athletes roided out of their skulls who never tested positive. i agree with you that he doesnt look as obvious as sedjati,and some others,but just because someone is fast as a kid does not make them clean(or even fast) as an adult. Also i never said for a fact that he is doping. My point is dont assume hes clean because he's british. Not all of them are. For the record he looks a lot more natty than sedjati,so thats a good thing.Also without the fast shoes,he would never break coe's record. His 1.42,27 would be worth about 1.43.9 back in coe's day. That im sure we can agree with.
It's also a fact that you don't know that every world class runner is doping. It's also a fact that you don't know those British athletes were roided out of their skulls if they never tested positive. You seem to have a problem with your epistemology.
It's also a fact that constantly claiming that EVERY athlete is doped only serves to trivialize the fact that doping is clearly more prevalent in certain regions than others.
Track is indistinguishable from tour cycling now. Actually, it was WADA that said that. It lumps running together with bodybuilding and weightlifting, as well as cycling.
I can't find WADA saying that -- can you provide the exact quote in context?
He also posts every single run and cross training activity on Strava. I don't 'know' that he (Ben Pattison) is clean, but any objective and rational person would believe the likelihood is considerably lower than for Sedjati and one or two of the others.
I agree, the likelihood for Pattison to be clean, is much lower than for Sedjati.
Can you just give your reasoning for that, Coevett?
I’m sorry for the Brits beaten out of places by Attaoui’s teammate George Mills who has a huge mid-20s improvement. How have OAC Europe found how to dope undetected now? You’re a hypocrite on this stuff.
Mills was European U18 champion, then had two entire years almost completely wiped out with a serious injury. Few athletes ever come back from two years out during their late teens. His birthday is in May, so his huge progress (4 seconds in 1500m) came when he had barely turned 24 and after switching to a new coach/team.
Thanks for proving my point. Mills is allowed to make huge progress when switching to OAC Europe. Whereas Attaoui is not, despite the changes in support and training being probably more extreme for him and him being younger.
Its not trolling,its stating a fact. You do not know that he is clean,just because he is british! ive seen british athletes roided out of their skulls who never tested positive. i agree with you that he doesnt look as obvious as sedjati,and some others,but just because someone is fast as a kid does not make them clean(or even fast) as an adult. Also i never said for a fact that he is doping. My point is dont assume hes clean because he's british. Not all of them are. For the record he looks a lot more natty than sedjati,so thats a good thing.Also without the fast shoes,he would never break coe's record. His 1.42,27 would be worth about 1.43.9 back in coe's day. That im sure we can agree with.
It's also a fact that you don't know that every world class runner is doping. It's also a fact that you don't know those British athletes were roided out of their skulls if they never tested positive. You seem to have a problem with your epistemology.
It's also a fact that constantly claiming that EVERY athlete is doped only serves to trivialize the fact that doping is clearly more prevalent in certain regions than others.
I have eyes.What i see,is enough for me. Theyre not called bulky brits for no reason. They didnt test positive because the UK is very good at hiding,and covering up its doping,apart from the odd positive test (sacrificial lamb).They,like other countries,and sponsors etc protect most top athletes. Thats just the sport. You dont like my comment? too bad. I know im right,and i wont change my mind just because it offends you. One day youll end up eating crow,and you''ll remember my comments ,and youre gonna go 'woops.he was right,I was wrong'. Still,if its any consolation,I think doping in USA is much worse. Kenya,too. Also im not a troll,because unlike a lot of other users,ive never ever once been nasty to you,or attacked you,on here. And i never will.
Mills was European U18 champion, then had two entire years almost completely wiped out with a serious injury. Few athletes ever come back from two years out during their late teens. His birthday is in May, so his huge progress (4 seconds in 1500m) came when he had barely turned 24 and after switching to a new coach/team.
Thanks for proving my point. Mills is allowed to make huge progress when switching to OAC Europe. Whereas Attaoui is not, despite the changes in support and training being probably more extreme for him and him being younger.
Can you actually provide a quote where I said that Attaoui's progression was suspicious? you seem to be putting words into my mouth. What I said, and I what I believe, is that the sudden number of North African/North African descent runners running exceptional times is likely due to a new method of doping. Also, any Spaniard with a North African background running very fast times is legitimately suspect given their history, to anbody with any sense, just as it's legitimate to question a Jamaican running extraordinarily fast according to you.
Track is indistinguishable from tour cycling now. Actually, it was WADA that said that. It lumps running together with bodybuilding and weightlifting, as well as cycling.
I can't find WADA saying that -- can you provide the exact quote in context?
Track is indistinguishable from tour cycling now. Actually, it was WADA that said that. It lumps running together with bodybuilding and weightlifting, as well as cycling.
You have repeated that more than 10 times this week.
Whatever gets your 1000 monthly posts, I guess.
Thanks for acknowledging you have no response to that point.
Can you actually provide a quote where I said that Attaoui's progression was suspicious? you seem to be putting words into my mouth. What I said, and I what I believe, is that the sudden number of North African/North African descent runners running exceptional times is likely due to a new method of doping. Also, any Spaniard with a North African background running very fast times is legitimately suspect given their history, to anbody with any sense, just as it's legitimate to question a Jamaican running extraordinarily fast according to you.
You said Pattison was the fastest clean 800m runner in the world and we know what that entails. I wouldn’t be surprised if anyone under 1:44 in the 800m is popped. That’s the sport and its history. I am definitely suspicious by Sedjati coming out of nowhere and his ability to kick off any pace…Tuals emergence is somewhat inexplicable. Nobody else really jumps out to me, and your bias is immediately recognizable with who you like to assume is doped from there with haphazard or prejudiced thinking.
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