Official final day of 2024 Euros Discussion Thread (Jakob races 1500 at 4:26 pm ET)

Each to their own when it comes to planning a race schedule, but sitting at home and saying you could have won that amounts to nothing. You got to show up to win. I think and hope every athlete at that level knows that, as it sucks to try to detract from those who did the work by saying stuff like that. You never knows who passes you in the last turn (in the case of Jakob), if you loose a shoe, fall over etc, which makes it so exciting.

The last sentence of your post, questioning how this will affect his performance at the olympics. "But it's also okay to consider how this race affects his chances at the Olympics"

Or, for example, saying you could have won that race blindfolded.

I have no idea how people can suggest Wightman as a medal candidate for Paris, his WC gold looks more and more like a fluke for every day.

+1

I don´t think Jake is faster than Gourley (we will see at the British trials), Habz and Nader.

I have on other threads argued that Jake will never medal again.

Your predictions for the 1500 and mile are dreams. There is no further age improvment for middle distances past 23 and his training is close to maxed out already. So he is obviously close to his peak for everything between 1500 and 2 miles. He can still make little improvments but he will struggle to break the 1500m WR. The mile WR seems easier but we won't obliterate it. His season has not been optimal so it's already good if he reaches same shape as last year, which should be enough for double gold in Paris if he does everything right in the 1500.

That said, he has still a lot of room for improvment for the 5k and beyond. I expect him to run 12:30 one day.

You seem to do a lot of predictions...

I'm asking the admin of Letsrun to stop that used who constantly post doping thread.

Its not a good environment to live in.

At the extreme it has became an illness.

In his last six global championships across all distances, he has won 3 gold medals and 3 silver medals. He has won gold medals in all six European championship events that he has competed in. He is 23 years old.

I just saw the video now. I can't explain ... maybe the weather or conditions had his tool on some runners.

Habz was able to do the same gap as Jacob at DL Marrakech but later he never was able to reproduce it.

Nader needs to work a lot on his aerobic. He is good enough but not able to follow a high pace some times.

Jakob has this constante fix that his endurance always help him ... and in general he do a better average result.

Last time Jakob Ingebrigtsen run a race and didn't get top 2, was at the 1500m in Monaco in 2021.

That was his first day back after a throat infection (no reason to hypothesize that the illness was an excuse, as, 2021 being an Olympic year, the infection had been discussed in Norway already before the Monaco race), and he still got 3rd in that race with his second ever sub-3:30 run.

Going further back to find his next race outside the top 2: The 1500m and the 5000m at the World Championships in Doha, 2019 - Jakob got fourth at both, having just turned 19 years old.

There's a lot that's insanely impressive with Jakob. One of those things is how impressive his bad races are. A pleasent "side-effect" of being an endurance monster.

PS.: Admittedly, there were very few races in 2020 due to COVID. Furthermore, there were some 3rd and 4th places in there in between - but all in qualifying heats, where he still qualified, so I thought those were safe to exclude from the statistics:)

PSPS.: This whole thing is arguably especially impressive considering how often he races.

That is true! But reasonable predictions I would say:

Before the 2020 season I predicted that Jakob would break at least one of these times: 3:30 in the 1500m, 7:30 in the 3000m and 12:50 in the 5000m if he managed to join some fast races that season. He later in 2020 ran 3:28.68 in the 1500m, low 7:27 in the 3000m and early next season he ran 12:48 in the Florence 5000m.

After the Tokyo Olympics 2021 I predicted that Jakob would be the man to beat in the 5000m in the future. Since then he has won the next 2 WC 5000m finals (and 2 European 5000m titles).

Before the 2 miles in Paris last year I predicted that he could go close to 59 per lap and consequently break the existing WB with a significant margin. He ran just under 59 per lap and broke Komen´s WB wih more than 6.5 sec.

Before the 2000m in Brüssel last year I predicted he would go sub 4:44 if he was close to his best shape. He went low 4:43 breaking the middle distance goat´s WR with more than 1.5 sec.

Do you have a better track record?

Would it pay for us (the Brits) to deploy some team tactics to take advantage of Jakob's jog off the line? Like, lets say the 3rd choice Brit - probably Gourley, has little chance of a medal so instead just takes off, cranks a hard first 800, with Jake and Josh sat in the pack behind him. If Jakob trundled off the line and let the same sort of 10meter gap open, he could be completely caught out by a crazy fast start. If he has to work hard to close back up to the pack and the Kenyans take over mid race, as usual, to keep the pace hard. By the time Josh takes off on the last lap Jakob could be cooked.

My hunch is that, the faster the race (including the start), the better are Jakob's chances.

(My guess is also that, although Jakob will start a bit slower than the rest, he's not leaving the same gap to the pack at the Olympics as in the Euros.)

PS.: This was meant as a reply to the last message:)

Good thing you're not a British coach. Are you trying to get Jakob to run a WR?

The best thing British could do is to lead a slow paced race. A jogfest would lead to a best outcome.

Tells you everything you need to know about how good Jakob is when his haters want to say that he's washed and sh!t if he finishes second in a race rather than first

After the final and the way Jakob ran it I think that he will be stronger than ever before in August.