Trans Dude On Pace To Break Girls 200 & 400 records & lead team to State 6A Oregon title

Yes- especially the people on this board- I thought we are all here because we are all athletes?

But no, just liberals that want to fight us and name call in favor of supporting the "strong and brave" mentally ill boys robbing our girls.

And if it happened in every division in every state, you'd still fail to acknowledge it as a problem, right?

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Those studies do not "prove" anything.

The one you cited is especially flawed. I don't understand why the reviewer did not reject it, or why IOC funded such a poorly designed research.

If it happened in every division in every state, there would be multiple transgender females running sub-4:30 and 9:30, and it would be a huge problem.

Folks it's simple. Let them run as boys the biological sex. No one is denying their right to compete.

However if they run as girls they are denying girl athletes rights. So why are you folks so adamant about this!!!

They can be whomever they want to be but they should not take away moments from girls. It's absurd for a girl to compete against a boy.

This argument is unnecessary. You can design straightforward experiments to show that one group does not have a statistically significant advantage over the other. You do have to build in incentives in the experiment design for both groups to give their best shot.

One group not having a statistically significant advantage over another is just that. Whatever difference that exists between two groups could be purely accidental. It done not mean that the difference does not exist.

Trying to test a group of trans women / girls who started medical transition before puberty creates a few additional problem.

First, the total number of those people is extremely small, and most of them do not engage in any competitive sports.

Second, most of them who engage in competitive sports do not have any "pretransition" competitive records. So you cannot control their post-transition performance based on their pretransition level.

Third, unlike the cases of post-puberty transitioners, you don't expect their performance to decline after the transition. Their performance is expected to improve from age 11 to age 14. The relevant question is whether their improvement is bigger than the improvement among cis girls. But then that raises the question of who makes up the control group.

it's concern trolling. rather than play the "heavy," he wants to feign concern and protectiveness for trans and intersex "mr. helpful" -- and he's so concerned he will toss them off the sports cliff at the end. but he will use the best approved verbiage as he does so.

if you thought you were the opposite gender you would see how this offer of yours is like an insult or your imposition. if a kid thinks they are really a girl and the school board says the teacher can call the girl a boy regardless what they said, pronouns, etc.........from their perspective it's an insult. a licensed insult. if a teacher called your kid a slur in class, would you take that? exactly. and i understand this all seems new but basically what we did was closet these people for centuries. this is what happens when one actually deals with such issues out in the open.

if you dignify their sense of self then you see where we either need the 3rd box or to let them pick their box. i think the 3rd box is probably the fairest solution to all. it ends the mix of science and pseudoscience on how they compete -- as they become their own category and we no longer pretend this is about how they match up with bio women. it gets them involved, while dignifying their sense of self, and it shuts up the 2 box people's complaints. they are then either mollified -- if the issue was sincere -- or exposed as simple trans haters who continue to badger the kids in a 3rd category. which we then ignore as it's no longer sports relevant.

but there aren't. the whole thing is it's usually like 1 kid running 1-2 events at 1 level in the whole state. you don't seem to get the contradiction between red blooded male who wants to win, and them picking girl's to compete. no one "wants it" that bad. if they do, a boy wants to beat boys. literally zero boys are scheming to slide over and compete as girls, get their state medal, then flip back and adore the medal on the wall.

this is about honoring a fairly rare social choice meeting a moderately popular sports choice. kind of like one girl in a blue moon wants football.

if a situation like the semenya era world 800 develops, we can re-evaluate. but as it stands it's so rare the haters have brought up a grand total of 4 people from middle school to D3 doing it. is this really anything we need to fix. no. kind of like when my state was catching 10 election cheaters a year, we didn't really need voter ID. it's a wedge issue posing as public policy. public policy should be dealing with prevalent problems rather than badgering a handful of kids to use a purity test as a wedge issue.

i mean, in normal red blooded male world, let's say your hypercompetitive boy sneaks over to girl's to chase state. he would have to live that identity for all of HS. he would at the end get a medal saying he won "girl's state." if the kid who dresses up as a girl all HS has any redblooded male friends, they will look at the state medal, flip it over, and give them crap for it.

no one is doing that. no one is enduring what it would take, just to get an easier state medal. that's presenting as a girl every day in HS the whole time. that's running against girls.

no, sorry, anyone who does that, would be living that as their reality. this is utter crap.

And at that point, if they also said "and you will be running your non-award-eligible race alongside the boys instead of the girls," what then? Same diff really. If you're making a trans girl ineligible for awards, placings, and so forth, the only reason to put them in the girls race is to "validate their feelings."

Ummm did you see the video?

No, it's not the same thing.

They want to be part of a team. They want to have fun with their friends. Allowing them to race with girls achieves that. Many trans kids say they found the community they can belong to when they joined the sports teams. I wish they could find community in other groups like choir, orchestra, theatre group or art club. And many kids do. But for some of them, the sports team is their community.

Don't discount the attention, drama, and shock value that's the goal for some. You want to be a sensitive do-gooder, good for you, but don't be naive.

Marginalized groups are often judged by the worst elements within their groups. And it's the members of the dominant group who decides which members of the marginalized group should be "showcased."

Let me ask you this. If they are looking for "attention, drama and shock value" why do so many of them try to go stealth? Why do so many of them keep their social media accounts private? Doesn't that go against "attention, drama and shock value"?

They are both idiotic and transphobic. Any argument for preserving the feelings or awards of cis girls also applies to trans girls, otherwise it is discriminatory.

If it’s just about kids having fun, you might as well make the trans girls eligible for awards. It’s a teaching moment for parents of cis girls to teach them to be tolerant of people who seem different from them, and consoled that if and when it comes to elite competition with real monetary consequences, there will be sensible people carefully crafting policies to preserve fairness, as they indeed are trying to do.

It’s strange and invalidating to be told you can run with the girls but can never be considered a winner.